They are clearly targetting the DSOX2000, as the feature set is basically a straight copy, and they're hoping to differentiate with the touchscreen/UI, 10 bit ADC and I/O features.
The main maths function I'd like to see is integration, as this can be useful for measuring current draw of devices that vary a lot in different modes.
There is still a huge disconnect with the FOSS and the electronics hardware and test equipment sectors. FOSS isn't perfect, and it's not for everyone. But it's exactly the markets like hobbyists, semi-professionals, enthusiasts which have benefitted and contributed the most to projects in this sector. And it's exactly the same people who would stand to benefit here.
Looking at the manual for R&S's HMO series of oscilloscopes (comparably in price to the RTB2000), I see that they offer two kinds of math functions: "Quick Math" which is just add/ subtract/multiply/divide and "Formula Editor" which has pretty much everything you can think of. Since this scope seems to just have the "quick math" functions, I wonder if R&S plans on releasing the "formula editor" functions either as an add-on or in a later firmware revision. I hope it's the latter reason and they just need time to re-work the math functions for 10 bits instead of 8.
I would like to understand the sweep capabilities for example:
a) the types of sweep available linear, log? etc.
b) constraints if any on selectable freq. ranges for the sweep (begin freq. - end freq.)
c) constraints if any on the sweep time. (lower limit < elapsed sweep time < upper limit)
Just spotted the launch offer on Farnell. Clearly they don't care so much about Europe
GBP4785
Hopefully this is a glitch pending it being in stock.
http://uk.farnell.com/rohde-schwarz/rtb2k-com4-launch-edition/rtb2004-complete-bundle-300-mhz/dp/2723153?ost=rtb2&categoryId=700000005797&searchView=table&iscrfnonsku=false
It's available in Australia as well but no where near the 2K USD deal
http://au.element14.com/rohde-schwarz/rtb2k-com4-launch-edition/rtb2004-complete-bundle-300-mhz/dp/2723153?ost=RTB2K-COM4&selectedCategoryId=&categoryNameResp=All&searchView=table&iscrfnonsku=false
Looking at the manual for R&S's HMO series of oscilloscopes (comparably in price to the RTB2000), I see that they offer two kinds of math functions: "Quick Math" which is just add/ subtract/multiply/divide and "Formula Editor" which has pretty much everything you can think of. Since this scope seems to just have the "quick math" functions, I wonder if R&S plans on releasing the "formula editor" functions either as an add-on or in a later firmware revision. I hope it's the latter reason and they just need time to re-work the math functions for 10 bits instead of 8.
The brochure states that the HMO1202 is in a different math classification "Basic / (math on math)" vs the RTB2004 which is "elementary". I don't understand the reasoning but it seems that is the way it is. I too wonder if it is a technical limitation or a marketing choice? And if the latter, might there be a future option?
Perhaps R&S Rich has some insight?
Question to Rich from R&S on the R&S®RTB-B6 option - Signal Generator
I watched the video from Watt Circuit at the beginning of this thread and saw the function generator has sweep capability plus some other functions. I have been unable to find details in the manual or online for this option. I can find specification sheet only.
Is there an available source you could point me to please?
I would like to understand the sweep capabilities for example:
a) the types of sweep available linear, log? etc.
b) constraints if any on selectable freq. ranges for the sweep (begin freq. - end freq.)
c) constraints if any on the sweep time. (lower limit < elapsed sweep time < upper limit)
I would also like to understand better the abilities of the Pattern generator to generate arbitrary patterns (programmable sequences?)
Thanks in advance
Looking at the manual for R&S's HMO series of oscilloscopes (comparably in price to the RTB2000), I see that they offer two kinds of math functions: "Quick Math" which is just add/ subtract/multiply/divide and "Formula Editor" which has pretty much everything you can think of. Since this scope seems to just have the "quick math" functions, I wonder if R&S plans on releasing the "formula editor" functions either as an add-on or in a later firmware revision. I hope it's the latter reason and they just need time to re-work the math functions for 10 bits instead of 8.
The brochure states that the HMO1202 is in a different math classification "Basic / (math on math)" vs the RTB2004 which is "elementary". I don't understand the reasoning but it seems that is the way it is. I too wonder if it is a technical limitation or a marketing choice? And if the latter, might there be a future option?
Perhaps R&S Rich has some insight?The current math capability is the basic math functions described. Having said that, I really appreciate getting additional feedback and will absolutely pass this on to the design team Germany. No promises that it will be implemented, but the more feedback we hear the more likely something is to happen, so please don't hesitate to keep passing it on.
-Rich
Looking at the manual for R&S's HMO series of oscilloscopes (comparably in price to the RTB2000), I see that they offer two kinds of math functions: "Quick Math" which is just add/ subtract/multiply/divide and "Formula Editor" which has pretty much everything you can think of. Since this scope seems to just have the "quick math" functions, I wonder if R&S plans on releasing the "formula editor" functions either as an add-on or in a later firmware revision. I hope it's the latter reason and they just need time to re-work the math functions for 10 bits instead of 8.
The brochure states that the HMO1202 is in a different math classification "Basic / (math on math)" vs the RTB2004 which is "elementary". I don't understand the reasoning but it seems that is the way it is. I too wonder if it is a technical limitation or a marketing choice? And if the latter, might there be a future option?
Perhaps R&S Rich has some insight?The current math capability is the basic math functions described. Having said that, I really appreciate getting additional feedback and will absolutely pass this on to the design team Germany. No promises that it will be implemented, but the more feedback we hear the more likely something is to happen, so please don't hesitate to keep passing it on.
-Rich
Yup, that's a bummer. I have a DS1000Z and while the new RTB2000 is superior in many ways, I know I will miss the more advanced math.
The Rigol has more operations ( addition (A+B), subtraction (A-B), multiplication (AxB), division (A/B), FFT, A&&B, A||B, A^B, !A, Intg, Diff, Sqrt, Lg, Ln, Exp and Abs, low/high/band pass filtering.) according to the manual and can also cascade operations once with one intermediate variable (so you can do Ch1+Ch2+Ch3) - they call this "Fx operation". While I see how arbitrary formulas could be considered a differentiation feature for higher scope, basic maths as in the Rigol (more operation and basic cascading) are par for the course these days (even if the Keysight 2k don't do them either...).
I personally have used the cascading, intg, diff and will miss them if they are not in the RTB2000 (which they clearly are not right now).
It looks like there is also a deficit in triggering types (I haven't looked closely). Things like N-th edge or setup/hold are useful.
DS1000Z manual below for reference
http://beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com/acton/attachment/1579/f-050a/1/-/-/-/-/MSO1000Z%26DS1000Z_UserGuide.pdf
DS1000Z ... Diff
Has someone experience with buying the special edition RTB 2004 at tequipment in combination with "Shipito".(Im from Europe )
(Keithley DMM7510 comes to mind in crazy fan location design).
I think, if R&S did use a similiar cooler design as in the HMO1232 (there is a review from Dave), then it would be much quieter than my DMM 7510.
And for me this is acceptable.