There are new features becoming available all the time. For one of my projects input filtering and deep memory where extremely handy so I got a scope which has those features. I'm not keeping my old scopes so money isn't sitting on a shelve devaluating.
There are new features becoming available all the time. For one of my projects input filtering and deep memory where extremely handy so I got a scope which has those features. I'm not keeping my old scopes so money isn't sitting on a shelve devaluating.
One project? So you couldn't have done it without a new scope?
You bought a scope you kept a couple of years then sold at a loss, you already lost money. Whats the ROI?
There are new features becoming available all the time. For one of my projects input filtering and deep memory where extremely handy so I got a scope which has those features. I'm not keeping my old scopes so money isn't sitting on a shelve devaluating.
One project? So you couldn't have done it without a new scope?
You bought a scope you kept a couple of years then sold at a loss, you already lost money. Whats the ROI?I design circuits for a living and for that I need tools. Remember: you need to spend money to make money. As long as the write-off on equipment is far less than the profits (in terms of time saved and/or enable to take on a project) there is no problem losing money on test equipment. I always say test equipment devaluates faster than a car and my buying strategy is adjusted accordingly.
Half of your scope purchases were mistakes! You must be a hobbyist because hobbyists do those kinds of things.
Half of your scope purchases were mistakes! You must be a hobbyist because hobbyists do those kinds of things.
So, let's see, I spent less for my RTB2004 than you have so far - gee how will I ever cope with such a "crippled" useless scope? I guess I'll just have to make do, poor me....
Half of your scope purchases were mistakes! You must be a hobbyist because hobbyists do those kinds of things.
So, let's see, I spent less for my RTB2004 than you have so far - gee how will I ever cope with such a "crippled" useless scope? I guess I'll just have to make do, poor me....That is not a fair comparison since you bought the RTB2004 for a very very special price. Normally that configuration costs over 3 times more.
Half of your scope purchases were mistakes! You must be a hobbyist because hobbyists do those kinds of things.Well, yes at least definitely the Owon.
The other scopes were not. To be honest: many years ago I was not ready to spend a few thousand bucks for a scope. My demands grew with my projects and as I am making money with these projects I was able to purchase better scopes which fulfil my needs better for more sophisticated projects.
As I always purchased with a discount and sold the equipment later often with profit, I could easily afford that approach. In fact any scope I purchased was purchased at least 15% below street price. I am sure I can sell my Keysight MSOX3024a any day and I will receive at least what I paid for - probably even more. So I used it literally "for free" for the last 30 month.
Thus my measurement equipment was growing with my requirements - and I frequently had newer technology at my hand - for almost no cost.
(btw: thats the positive by selecting measurement devices from respected brands: they do have a low loss of value over the time)
In retrospect: would I prefer the other alternative?
Purchasing a scope years ago which probably fulfil my needs for the next 10 years? No! That will be expensive and in reality I would start looking for new stuff after a few years anyway because something will be missing.
As I said: as I work for a living, this approach (at least for me) was the better way: I purchase what I need now and tomorrow and sell it if it does not fulfil my needs anymore to get newer and better stuff.
Note: the above applies to business related stuff. For consumer stuff for private usage this is much different. So you better purchase the best amplifier and/or speaker or camera etc. you can afford. Because then you enjoy right from the beginning. It just don't make sense to buy e.g. crappy speakers and buy new less-crappy speakers a few years later until you then end with good speakers after 20 years: you just lost 20 years with crappy stuff, paid much more at the end and you will regret you did not took the good stuff right from the beginning.
Edit: because I really was curious and wanted to know, I added up all my scope purchases and sellings (including all costs such as shipping and Ebay fees) from 2007. I did not count in the analog scope I already had before and also not the current Keysight. Result: I made 328 Euro profit between 2007 and 2015. Thus, a frequent update of some gear might even earn you money if you carefully select.
Half of your scope purchases were mistakes! You must be a hobbyist because hobbyists do those kinds of things.
So, let's see, I spent less for my RTB2004 than you have so far - gee how will I ever cope with such a "crippled" useless scope? I guess I'll just have to make do, poor me....That is not a fair comparison since you bought the RTB2004 for a very very special price. Normally that configuration costs over 3 times more.
Half of your scope purchases were mistakes! You must be a hobbyist because hobbyists do those kinds of things.
So, let's see, I spent less for my RTB2004 than you have so far - gee how will I ever cope with such a "crippled" useless scope? I guess I'll just have to make do, poor me....That is not a fair comparison since you bought the RTB2004 for a very very special price. Normally that configuration costs over 3 times more.This! this was a loss leading exercise, that people can no longer get, nor could they outside usa.
Does the x3000T have benefits? Sure - more available bandwidth/SR, 50Ohm input and higher update rate.
Simple question regarding the RTB2002 70Mhz with R2S-SPI extension,
wouldn't 2 channels (and bandwidth) limit SPI-decoding in some way against the 4-channel version? Is it necessary or better to have a 4-channel version for that?
If you can do without additional analog channels the 2-channel scope with SSPI decoding (frame decoding by clock idle time) will work as well as a regular 3-wire SPI.
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New FW is up:
https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/us/firmware/rtb2004/
Not checked it yet but if the release notes cover everything they've fixed so far that's pretty disappointing
Not checked it yet but if the release notes cover everything they've fixed so far that's pretty disappointing
Rich, can you give us some idea of the timeline and plan for further patches? I have found and reported further issues which aren't even mentioned in the release notes (even under "known issues") and there are no functional improvements in this release.
Rich, can you give us some idea of the timeline and plan for further patches? I have found and reported further issues which aren't even mentioned in the release notes (even under "known issues") and there are no functional improvements in this release.This poor guy Rich has to do deal with this in his spare time (and he is only responsible for the R&S US market) where nobody from the R&S headquarter in Germany ever bothered to say hello or to comment here. I would have expected either substantial firmware improvement and function adaption to make allow the RTB2004 to shine in its market segment or at least an official comment on how R&S want to proceed/deal with our input. Instead: nothing but silence.
Imho this is pretty lame from R&S but typical for many non-customer-oriented companies (which can be found much more frequent in Europe than in the US .... which might be the reason why Rich from R&S US is present here in his spare time - btw: kudos to you Rich, we really appreciate this!).
For the R&S headquarter in Munich/Germany we -here at EEVblog- are probably to minor/unimportant to mind.... (though two people at least visited Mike .... )