I have it next to my MSO3104T, but I find I only use it if I need to see more channels, look at independent triggers, or in some decode circumstances (will be more once the fix the uart decode framing bug).
The reason is simply that I find the UI so annoyingly sluggish compared to the Keysight. I'm sure that users who've only used Rigol.Tek etc. Find it OK, but once you've been using the KS for a while it just feels slow, and the intensity grading is rather less refined.
This is a superb scope in so many ways that the small quirks don't even register. I shot an I2C problem a couple of weeks ago and the scope made it a breeze.
I'd agree with mike, it's generally excellent...
until you have to do something like integrate a current measurement over time, decode more than one serial bus, or something else basic that R&S didn't include on an otherwise great, feature packed instrument.
Very frustrating, as when I pull out the DS1054Z to do whatever I couldn't (but should have been able to do) on the RTB2k I remember why I now hate using the Rigol in comparison. The UI bugs me less than it does Mike (probably for the reasons he gave), but it would make a major difference simply being able to turn off all UI animations.
A few additions and fixes like these would move it from being a "killer" only at launch-promo price (or for specific needs), to something that would fully justify the thread title and that I'd recommend to my boss to buy for the lab at work.
Markus - thanks for checking in, I'd love to hear what is being planned, and any comments regarding user feedback R&S has received.
This is a superb scope in so many ways that the small quirks don't even register. I shot an I2C problem a couple of weeks ago and the scope made it a breeze.Now you sound like the owner of a low end Rigol or Siglent scope!
This is a superb scope in so many ways that the small quirks don't even register. I shot an I2C problem a couple of weeks ago and the scope made it a breeze.Now you sound like the owner of a low end Rigol or Siglent scope!I gave one example and you think you know what scope suits me? I've been using scopes since you were a star in your mother's eye. (I'm laughing here!)
I'd agree with mike, it's generally excellent...
until you have to do something like integrate a current measurement over time, decode more than one serial bus, or something else basic that R&S didn't include on an otherwise great, feature packed instrument.
Very frustrating, as when I pull out the DS1054Z to do whatever I couldn't (but should have been able to do) on the RTB2k I remember why I now hate using the Rigol in comparison. The UI bugs me less than it does Mike (probably for the reasons he gave), but it would make a major difference simply being able to turn off all UI animations.
A few additions and fixes like these would move it from being a "killer" only at launch-promo price (or for specific needs), to something that would fully justify the thread title and that I'd recommend to my boss to buy for the lab at work.
Markus - thanks for checking in, I'd love to hear what is being planned, and any comments regarding user feedback R&S has received.
Maybe you bought the wrong scope for your needs.
I'd agree with mike, it's generally excellent...
until you have to do something like integrate a current measurement over time, decode more than one serial bus, or something else basic that R&S didn't include on an otherwise great, feature packed instrument.
Very frustrating, as when I pull out the DS1054Z to do whatever I couldn't (but should have been able to do) on the RTB2k I remember why I now hate using the Rigol in comparison. The UI bugs me less than it does Mike (probably for the reasons he gave), but it would make a major difference simply being able to turn off all UI animations.
A few additions and fixes like these would move it from being a "killer" only at launch-promo price (or for specific needs), to something that would fully justify the thread title and that I'd recommend to my boss to buy for the lab at work.
Markus - thanks for checking in, I'd love to hear what is being planned, and any comments regarding user feedback R&S has received.Maybe you bought the wrong scope for your needs.
Old Chinese proverb:
"He who seeks perfection finds failure."
This is a superb scope in so many ways that the small quirks don't even register. I shot an I2C problem a couple of weeks ago and the scope made it a breeze.Now you sound like the owner of a low end Rigol or Siglent scope!I gave one example and you think you know what scope suits me? I've been using scopes since you were a star in your mother's eye. (I'm laughing here!)Internet forum rule number one: don't start a pissing contest because there is always someone out there which exceeds whatever you think you have.
Old Chinese proverb:
"He who seeks perfection finds failure."
For sure, the old Chinese must had been fighting with some user-friendly dragon while he said that:
Maybe you bought the wrong scope for your needs.
I gave one example and you think you know what scope suits me?
I'd agree with mike, it's generally excellent...
until you have to do something like integrate a current measurement over time, decode more than one serial bus, or something else basic that R&S didn't include on an otherwise great, feature packed instrument.
Very frustrating, as when I pull out the DS1054Z to do whatever I couldn't (but should have been able to do) on the RTB2k I remember why I now hate using the Rigol in comparison. The UI bugs me less than it does Mike (probably for the reasons he gave), but it would make a major difference simply being able to turn off all UI animations.
A few additions and fixes like these would move it from being a "killer" only at launch-promo price (or for specific needs), to something that would fully justify the thread title and that I'd recommend to my boss to buy for the lab at work.
Markus - thanks for checking in, I'd love to hear what is being planned, and any comments regarding user feedback R&S has received.Maybe you bought the wrong scope for your needs.Actually I was keen to get a scope with a big+hi-res screen, MSO and better front-end/sample-rate/bandwidth than my Rigol. Have a look at the competition and guess why I bought a (promo-price) RTB2k?
I have 2 other scopes which can fill in the capability gaps on the rare occasion that it's required, it's just annoying that they have to do so.
Maybe you bought the wrong scope for your needs.I gave one example and you think you know what scope suits me?
Double standards, anyone?
You wrote those two posts within half an hour of each other. Please make up you mind whether or not it's adequate to second-guess someone's choice of scope based on a forum post.
Actually, you started the pissing contest.
I started working in electronics when I was a kid in high school at the local radio/TV repair shop, I was about 16 or 17 when I used my first scope, I'm 72 now. Got a lot of people around here who have been working in electronics the last 55 years? Would that be you?
I didn't think so....
Actually, you started the pissing contest.
I started working in electronics when I was a kid in high school at the local radio/TV repair shop, I was about 16 or 17 when I used my first scope, I'm 72 now. Got a lot of people around here who have been working in electronics the last 55 years? Would that be you?
I didn't think so....
That post was intended to show how some users seeks perfection in their oscilloscopes, but no feature can suit each and every wish, no matter how good or how user-friendly that feature was intended to be. So, instead of perfection, some too picky users will find just failure and frustration, like in the old Chinese saying.
There was no intention to offend you, or any other specific user, and I am sorry if it did.
Please accept my apologies.
What is it about oscilloscopes that gets people so riled up, defensive, judgmental, and uppity?
It's as bad as politics and religion on this forum. I don't see that kind of fervor in discussions about power supplies or even DMMs.
What is it about oscilloscopes that gets people so riled up, defensive, judgmental, and uppity?
The people who designed this thing are some of the brightest in the world. What? They didn't examine it, weigh different parameters? You bet they did, I've been in there. I think the grumblers should apply for a job at R&S just to see their reaction, these guys get to pick the cream of crop, how many people here think they are in that group?
What is it about oscilloscopes that gets people so riled up, defensive, judgmental, and uppity?A scope, though... that's different. If you're a tech or hands-on EE, that's how you see the world. No one who hasn't spent hundreds of hours using an oscilloscope in anger is ever going to build a good one. When you see a lot of flaws in an otherwise-nice piece of gear that you suspect are only there because nobody at the company ever encountered them personally, it can be rather frustrating.
I have it next to my MSO3104T, but I find I only use it if I need to see more channels, look at independent triggers, or in some decode circumstances (will be more once the fix the uart decode framing bug).
The reason is simply that I find the UI so annoyingly sluggish compared to the Keysight. I'm sure that users who've only used Rigol.Tek etc. Find it OK, but once you've been using the KS for a while it just feels slow, and the intensity grading is rather less refined.
I have it next to my MSO3104T, but I find I only use it if I need to see more channels, look at independent triggers, or in some decode circumstances (will be more once the fix the uart decode framing bug).
The reason is simply that I find the UI so annoyingly sluggish compared to the Keysight. I'm sure that users who've only used Rigol.Tek etc. Find it OK, but once you've been using the KS for a while it just feels slow, and the intensity grading is rather less refined.
I completely agree - I only use it for some decode stuff and high sensitive stuff like microphones.
I wrote R&S guys and complained about the sluggish UI some weeks ago. My (much hated by many) TEK MDO UI is more responsive doing protocol decoding than the R&S. I find myself having to push the screen several times to get it to react when the scope is "busy". And that was by decoding some 921600 bps serial..
It really needs some TLC in the software optimisation department and maybe some focus on multi-threading optimisation.
Don't get me wrong - I like the scope and UI. But I do not like the degrading performance of the UI and the bugs not fixed yet.
And compared the Keysight 3000 is much faster than both MDO and the R&S.
What is it about oscilloscopes that gets people so riled up, defensive, judgmental, and uppity?A scope, though... that's different. If you're a tech or hands-on EE, that's how you see the world. No one who hasn't spent hundreds of hours using an oscilloscope in anger is ever going to build a good one. When you see a lot of flaws in an otherwise-nice piece of gear that you suspect are only there because nobody at the company ever encountered them personally, it can be rather frustrating.That and the fact some people sunk a lot of money into an oscilloscope so it has to be good and cannot possibly ever be a lemon. Kinda like the emperor's new clothes.
The people who designed this thing are some of the brightest in the world. What? They didn't examine it, weigh different parameters? You bet they did, I've been in there. I think the grumblers should apply for a job at R&S just to see their reaction, these guys get to pick the cream of crop, how many people here think they are in that group?
Being with the best and brightest don't mean it's going to be great, I've been on large projects with the brightest and best in their field. After spending ten's of million of dollars it's just another closed f'd-up project.
Sometimes we get it right, sometimes we don't. In this case they got it off the bench and it's going to be judged by the market not by those who worked on the project. As a product, long tern if the company determines it success or failure we may never know for sure.