It seems they have a product that will deliver an overall benefit to the average consumer, who by the way, is not generally interested in the “electrical engineering” viewpoint of statistics and graphs showing whether or not it achieves the up to 8 x maximum output that was first quoted over 2 years ago?
I’m sure most people would agree that you need to get over your ongoing obsession about the whole “up to 8x” deal. Quite obviously, it was an exited claim about one individual test 2 ½ years ago and has been pursued by you ever since.
Your average person just wants a product that delivers a meaningful benefit at a reasonable price. If it works for them, they will buy again and also recommend it to others.
If not – good bye!!!
The market will decide, which, technically makes you lot completely irrelevant!
Anyway, try not to troll the innocent commenter’s on Indiegogo too much and stay focused on your real goal, which is...........- WTF is it really?
This bit got me thinking?
Suddenly it clicked - !!!!
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Righto, so now I realise it’s just somebody else on the gravy train! How many gullible people will be jumping on board?
Enough said.
Just try the Batteroos for yourself and make up your own mind.
QuoteYour average person just wants a product that delivers a meaningful benefit at a reasonable price. If it works for them, they will buy again and also recommend it to others.
If not – good bye!!!
The market will decide, which, technically makes you lot completely irrelevant!That's a good point and very shortsighted of Wayne. What do you think will happen when consumers do finally get their hands on this product, only to find out that it does not perform as claimed? Do you think they will be recommending it to friends? So really, it doesn't matter what is said here, people will buy the product, see that it's junk and not recommend it.
Just try the Batteroos for yourself and make up your own mind.
Let me offer this hypothetical product: A car - but one that was promoted as having great styling, excellent fuel economy and top of the range handling at an affordable price. When it gets released, the styling is seen to be boring, the fuel economy a joke and the handling is borderline scary - but the price is as advertised - and it goes like the clappers!!
The engineers will (quite rightly) condemn it for the pile of crap that it is ... but you can bet your boots it is going to sell, at least at the outset.
Sure the Batteroo sleeve is challenged on a number of it's "engineering claims" - but if the public finds something useful to do with it, they will buy it.
As I've said before, the poor communication and delays from Batteroo will be mostly forgotten, should the product roll out be completed.
- but if the public finds something useful to do with it, they will buy it.Not even that is a necessary reason to buy something. I have a box of devboards to prove it.
And as far as BAtteroo goes it doesn't have to get anywhere near the most extreme claims to be somewhat useful in products like toys. Extracting all the energy and still giving good performance right up to the end is all that is required. If my LEGO train stopped suddenly without warning but wasn't crawling along at the end then it would have been fantastic.
People , please, do not post about Wayne again, just let him disappear into obscurity, he is not coming back.
And as far as BAtteroo goes it doesn't have to get anywhere near the most extreme claims to be somewhat useful in products like toys. Extracting all the energy and still giving good performance right up to the end is all that is required. If my LEGO train stopped suddenly without warning but wasn't crawling along at the end then it would have been fantastic.
So Dave, how do you plan on getting a sleeve or two in your hot little hands? Seeing as nobody from Revive Batteries has any clue, we're all looking to you.
If these things ever appear in widespread use they will succeed or fail based on how well they satisfy real everyday use.
I doubt I will buy them. ... If it isn't cheap toys I don't know what use case exists.
maintaining the rage about the original ridiculous claims is a self serving wank
This is Batteroo's website right now:
You have completely missed the point, Sonny_Jim. It's not about what the Batteroo sleeve can't do - it's about what it can - as miserable as that might be for some people.
I'm sufficiently disinterested in tracking the various mathematics of the benefit claims and if or whether they have changed over time to debate them.
You have completely missed the point, Sonny_Jim. It's not about what the Batteroo sleeve can't do - it's about what it can - as miserable as that might be for some people.Well, enlighten me. What can it do then?
It can drain the battery faster when used in a device that already has a boost converter
It can get jammed in battery compartments
It can't increase useful battery life in the vast majority of applications
There's no point in me trying to answer that, because you are not prepared to listen - as evidenced by your following comments and other examples...
As much as we all understand what the Batteroo sleeve CAN'T do, we had better allow ourselves to acknowledge what it can or might be able to do - because if Bob and Co. come up with a list of, say, 3 marketable things that the product can deliver - even if they are not what was in the original design spec. - then the utterly condemning EE's have lost all credibility in the eyes of the general public.
You cut right to the heart of the matter. The Batteroo does need to be investigated and it's performance rigorously examined.
... serving a useful purpose other than to provide entertainment?
Many years ago I used to work for a large manufacturer of corrugated cardboard boxes, so I know what I'm looking at here. Those boxes are not a stock item, they fit the actual Batteroo product packaging too well. Bob has had to pay to have those made and the economics of a printed, die cut case like that dictate that you don't order a few dozen of them, you order a few thousand. The NRE costs of having the cutting die designed and made dominate the order costs for small (i.e. less than 10-20 thousand) orders. I can tell just from looking that they're not hand cut sample cases, they were actually die cut.
There's no point in me trying to answer that, because you are not prepared to listen - as evidenced by your following comments and other examples...I read your car analogy and it made zero sense to me. I've looked through some of your previous posts about this subject, some of it is about the packaging it comes in. The best I can see is this post you made:QuoteAs much as we all understand what the Batteroo sleeve CAN'T do, we had better allow ourselves to acknowledge what it can or might be able to do - because if Bob and Co. come up with a list of, say, 3 marketable things that the product can deliver - even if they are not what was in the original design spec. - then the utterly condemning EE's have lost all credibility in the eyes of the general public.
If I'm reading that correctly, you feel as long as there's any situation where these things can actually increase battery life, then it absolves Bob and Co. from all the outlandish claims they've made during their marketing campaign. I don't think I can agree with that, I'm afraid.
To use a better car analogy:
A manufacturer launches a new modification kit that can be added to an existing car, that uses decades old technology that can improve fuel consumption figures. The majority of cars already have this technology fitted from the factory. Adding this kit also has the side effect of rendering the fuel gauge useless.
The mod kit manufacturer then starts making videos with the mod kit fitted to cars that already have this technology, saying that 'Big Oil' don't want you find out about this amazing new technology.
Mechanics point out that not only is this kit pointless in the majority of cars, it may actually cause a greater fuel drain.
Your point is that as long as there are some cars around that may benefit from this modification, then the mechanics should keep schtum about it?
In short, the product may absolutely fail in every claim, but if the paying public find a use for it, it will sell.
There's no point in me trying to answer that, because you are not prepared to listen - as evidenced by your following comments and other examples...I read your car analogy and it made zero sense to me. I've looked through some of your previous posts about this subject, some of it is about the packaging it comes in. The best I can see is this post you made:QuoteAs much as we all understand what the Batteroo sleeve CAN'T do, we had better allow ourselves to acknowledge what it can or might be able to do - because if Bob and Co. come up with a list of, say, 3 marketable things that the product can deliver - even if they are not what was in the original design spec. - then the utterly condemning EE's have lost all credibility in the eyes of the general public.
If I'm reading that correctly, you feel as long as there's any situation where these things can actually increase battery life, then it absolves Bob and Co. from all the outlandish claims they've made during their marketing campaign. I don't think I can agree with that, I'm afraid.
To use a better car analogy:
A manufacturer launches a new modification kit that can be added to an existing car, that uses decades old technology that can improve fuel consumption figures. The majority of cars already have this technology fitted from the factory. Adding this kit also has the side effect of rendering the fuel gauge useless.
The mod kit manufacturer then starts making videos with the mod kit fitted to cars that already have this technology, saying that 'Big Oil' don't want you find out about this amazing new technology.
Mechanics point out that not only is this kit pointless in the majority of cars, it may actually cause a greater fuel drain.
Your point is that as long as there are some cars around that may benefit from this modification, then the mechanics should keep schtum about it?
You've just proven once again why it would be pointless for me to try to explain it to you. You just cannot see past your own nose.
My original car analogy was perfectly capable of demonstrating the point I wanted to make. You just chose to not see it - or were unable to.
You have completely missed the point, Sonny_Jim. It's not about what the Batteroo sleeve can't do - it's about what it can - as miserable as that might be for some people.Well, enlighten me. What can it do then?