Would like to hear people’s comments on this video. Not sure who the guy is or who funds the organization he works for. He sure gives compelling facts as to why EVs pollute more than ICEs. And why there will never be enough solar and wind power to charge EVs. (His numbers by the way agree with the solar and wind power association predictions.)
This video and the video in the last post sure make EVs out to be worse for the global environment while they might be good for the local environment.
https://youtu.be/17xh_VRrnMU
It's pretty clear to everyone that once the battery pack in an EV dies or looses significant capacity in the estimated 7-10 years, the things will be worthless.
Unlike the cost of maintence for an IC which can easily go 20 Year without major over haul, a new/ refurb EV pack will be more than the car is worth.
Look at that, electric cars are cheaper to buy/operate... including the Netherlands...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/12/electric-cars-already-cheaper-own-run-study
Look at that, electric cars are cheaper to buy/operate... including the Netherlands...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/12/electric-cars-already-cheaper-own-run-studyOver four years...
One could easily do a write up with the opposite conclusion and look at the costs on day one, aka purchase price.
Somewhat pointless in both cases.
Look at that, electric cars are cheaper to buy/operate... including the Netherlands...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/12/electric-cars-already-cheaper-own-run-study
Over four years...avoiding the whole battery replacement costs.
One could easily do a write up with the opposite conclusion and look at the costs on day one, aka purchase price.
Somewhat pointless in both cases.
As for your suggested calculation, who buys a car and then instantly resells it (which is the only scenario that would apply).
This just comes down to "haters gonna hate" , doesn't it?
Would like to hear people’s comments on this video. Not sure who the guy is or who funds the organization he works for. He sure gives compelling facts as to why EVs pollute more than ICEs. And why there will never be enough solar and wind power to charge EVs. (His numbers by the way agree with the solar and wind power association predictions.)
This video and the video in the last post sure make EVs out to be worse for the global environment while they might be good for the local environment.
https://youtu.be/17xh_VRrnMUIts from Prager University, which is about as much like a university as Trump University was. The comments under that video list multiple well thought out rebuttals.
Even that video seems to only compare the first 9yrs between ICE & EV. Personally I have kept the last 3-4 cars till they got in the 150-200k mark. Last one just got taken off the road by the inspection nazis, 2002 Chevy S10 with 167k miles. Ran great yet, but was rusting so much it was BER.
Just looking at some quick figures, its seems the DOT has the average lifespan of a US car at 11yrs these days. Seems realistic, I certainly take them to the grave and normally get more than that.
How long is the lifespan on a EV battery? 100K miles? 150k? 200k?
https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/electric-cars-battery-life-materials-cost
https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/long-term-electric-vehicle-ownership-pros-and-cons-220975
So what is the resale value of a 10yr old EV? Guessing most of these end up at the scrapper since its probably not worth the battery replacement cost at that point. If ICE can get another few years of useful life, that alot of additional manufacturing impact as well. 150-200K miles isn't a problem for a maintained ICE of the last few decades.
Here in europe the trend with new ICE cars to have small turbo engines like 1.0 l putting out 100+ hp. Now tell me these engines will last long (10+years) without major overhaul...
Here in europe the trend with new ICE cars to have small turbo engines like 1.0 l putting out 100+ hp. Now tell me these engines will last long (10+years) without major overhaul...I don't see why not. The 1.0l Ecoboost from Ford seems to be pretty reliable. Many people drive too slow which causes the engine to built up dirt inside. A small engine which has to work every now and then doesn't have that problem.
Here in europe the trend with new ICE cars to have small turbo engines like 1.0 l putting out 100+ hp. Now tell me these engines will last long (10+years) without major overhaul...I don't see why not. The 1.0l Ecoboost from Ford seems to be pretty reliable. I don't see any horror stories on the local Ford forum. Besides that many people drive too slow which causes the engine to built up dirt inside. A small engine which has to work every now and then doesn't have that problem.
Current generation EVs are getting close to being 10 years old so we will have some data points soon.
As for the value of a used EV that's 6-8 years old they appear to be on par with ICE. (Granted this is a small sample size and in the US/California.)
The real data is going to come in over the next two years. Should be interesting.
Current generation EVs are getting close to being 10 years old so we will have some data points soon.
As for the value of a used EV that's 6-8 years old they appear to be on par with ICE. (Granted this is a small sample size and in the US/California.)
The real data is going to come in over the next two years. Should be interesting.
Just a quick check on kelly blue book for 2011 Nisson leaf and it appeared your correct. Seem to go for $7-10K in the listings at the bottom of the page.
https://www.kbb.com/cars-for-sale/cars/used-cars/nissan/leaf/?vehicleid=352716&year=2011-2013&distance=150
Looking a bit closer...these things have like 20-40K miles. Highest millage was just over 50K. Seven year old cars and most <40K miles?!? That's 1/3 the national average of 15K/year. That's just the 11 cars within 150mi of me.
Too early to tell, but that 5 min look into KBB smells a bit off if that's the resale numbers being used. These things have been parked for most their life.
Here in europe the trend with new ICE cars to have small turbo engines like 1.0 l putting out 100+ hp. Now tell me these engines will last long (10+years) without major overhaul...I don't see why not. The 1.0l Ecoboost from Ford seems to be pretty reliable. I don't see any horror stories on the local Ford forum. Besides that many people drive too slow which causes the engine to built up dirt inside. A small engine which has to work every now and then doesn't have that problem.I think you mean many people drive largely around town, and never get up to speed. This causes problems for the DPF in diesels, and car makers tell people clears that the car needs frequent highway runs to clear the filter. Ford just sold the Ecoboost engines as general purpose engines. Its turning into a financial disaster for Ford, with all the compensation for fires and the recalls. You have an interesting concept of reliable.
Current generation EVs are getting close to being 10 years old so we will have some data points soon.
As for the value of a used EV that's 6-8 years old they appear to be on par with ICE. (Granted this is a small sample size and in the US/California.)
The real data is going to come in over the next two years. Should be interesting.
Just a quick check on kelly blue book for 2011 Nisson leaf and it appeared your correct. Seem to go for $7-10K in the listings at the bottom of the page.
https://www.kbb.com/cars-for-sale/cars/used-cars/nissan/leaf/?vehicleid=352716&year=2011-2013&distance=150
Looking a bit closer...these things have like 20-40K miles. Highest millage was just over 50K. Seven year old cars and most <40K miles?!? That's 1/3 the national average of 15K/year. That's just the 11 cars within 150mi of me.
Too early to tell, but that 5 min look into KBB smells a bit off if that's the resale numbers being used. These things have been parked for most their life.
BTW driving short distances is also not good for petrol cars. For example: the piston seals can seize up causing high oil consumption.
Look at that, electric cars are cheaper to buy/operate... including the Netherlands...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/12/electric-cars-already-cheaper-own-run-study