According to this graph electricity is even more expensive in the UK compared to the Netherlands:
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From: http://euanmearns.com/energy-prices-in-europe/That website looks like a pro-oil blog, or at least not particularly reliable, so I wouldn't trust that graph.It is a random pick from Google which at least had some recent data. There are probably other (even more recent) graphs out there but I doubt they will show something different.
According to this graph electricity is even more expensive in the UK compared to the Netherlands:
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From: http://euanmearns.com/energy-prices-in-europe/That website looks like a pro-oil blog, or at least not particularly reliable, so I wouldn't trust that graph.It is a random pick from Google which at least had some recent data. There are probably other (even more recent) graphs out there but I doubt they will show something different.If your standard is a random pick from the internet you can find a graph that proves anything you want. Even if something is technically correct it can still be just as misleading as a lie. (It might be the truth, noting but the truth, but not quite the whole truth).
Loving the insanity here. For those that think Simon is lying, here's a UK power quote for not far from where I previously lived.
just under 18p day rate and just over 8p night rate.
Loving the insanity here. For those that think Simon is lying, here's a UK power quote for not far from where I previously lived.
just under 18p day rate and just over 8p night rate.Thanks for clarifying without drama. But where is that? Can everyone in the UK get this tarif? What are the conditions?
Edit: It seems SSE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Hydro_Electric) has a lot of genering capacity from hydro power. So my assumption that this rate is for hydro power which makes the electricity cheap turns out to be correct.
Why would off peak be current limited?
One thing I noticed when researching plans here ( Effing " Plans", who came up with that BS??) is that nearly every billing scam with a solar feed in is single rate. IE, NO Off peak. You are screwed over for the same rate anytime you use power.
They giveth with one hand and tear back with the other. The ones that do have off peak, if you dig hard enough to find them, have a much lower feed in rate for solar. They make effort to Fk you over either way.
A hidden cost of EV charging. By being able to charge at a lower rate at night, your solar generated power going back to the grid when the car is at work or out with you during the day would loose money over what it would with a single rate when you could heat the hot water and run the pool pump during the day using your own power.
It's a hidden cost that won't show up on any bill ( how convenient for the power cos) but you will be paying none the less.
The story is never as simple and straight forward as it appears.
No, I looked at an address in London. It would have been easy for Simon to just show the numbers like you did. Yet I don't quite get why I can't get the low rates you write about in London. As I wrote before: there is no use to cherry pick the highest numbers in a discussion and neither is cherry picking the lowest numbers.
No, I looked at an address in London. It would have been easy for Simon to just show the numbers like you did. Yet I don't quite get why I can't get the low rates you write about in London. As I wrote before: there is no use to cherry pick the highest numbers in a discussion and neither is cherry picking the lowest numbers.
Not so in the US.
No, I am calling a liar a liar! nctnico is a liar! fact. He has repeatedly stated that what he says is correct despite me explaining that his prices are wrong ond i know they are because I pay for electricity in the UK! He has refused to say he is wrong and took a long time to drop the matter after many challenges and his excuse is that he found this data on the internet. We know what misinformation breeds and it will not be tolerated here!
One thing I noticed when researching plans here ( Effing " Plans", who came up with that BS??) is that nearly every billing scam with a solar feed in is single rate. IE, NO Off peak. You are screwed over for the same rate anytime you use power.
They giveth with one hand and tear back with the other. The ones that do have off peak, if you dig hard enough to find them, have a much lower feed in rate for solar. They make effort to Fk you over either way.
A hidden cost of EV charging. By being able to charge at a lower rate at night, your solar generated power going back to the grid when the car is at work or out with you during the day would loose money over what it would with a single rate when you could heat the hot water and run the pool pump during the day using your own power.
It's a hidden cost that won't show up on any bill ( how convenient for the power cos) but you will be paying none the less.
The story is never as simple and straight forward as it appears.
Not so in the US. We get to "sell" power to the power at peak times and buy the electricity back the same day for 400% less. But there is a catch.... If at the end of the year we have any energy credit dollars, we have to give those kWhrs/energy credit dollars to the power company for free.
One thing I noticed when researching plans here ( Effing " Plans", who came up with that BS??) is that nearly every billing scam with a solar feed in is single rate. IE, NO Off peak. You are screwed over for the same rate anytime you use power.
They giveth with one hand and tear back with the other. The ones that do have off peak, if you dig hard enough to find them, have a much lower feed in rate for solar. They make effort to Fk you over either way.
A hidden cost of EV charging. By being able to charge at a lower rate at night, your solar generated power going back to the grid when the car is at work or out with you during the day would loose money over what it would with a single rate when you could heat the hot water and run the pool pump during the day using your own power.
It's a hidden cost that won't show up on any bill ( how convenient for the power cos) but you will be paying none the less.
The story is never as simple and straight forward as it appears.
Not so in the US. We get to "sell" power to the power at peak times and buy the electricity back the same day for 400% less. But there is a catch.... If at the end of the year we have any energy credit dollars, we have to give those kWhrs/energy credit dollars to the power company for free.That's not correct in San Diego. They will buy it back at wholesale rates.
One thing I noticed when researching plans here ( Effing " Plans", who came up with that BS??) is that nearly every billing scam with a solar feed in is single rate. IE, NO Off peak. You are screwed over for the same rate anytime you use power.
They giveth with one hand and tear back with the other. The ones that do have off peak, if you dig hard enough to find them, have a much lower feed in rate for solar. They make effort to Fk you over either way.
A hidden cost of EV charging. By being able to charge at a lower rate at night, your solar generated power going back to the grid when the car is at work or out with you during the day would loose money over what it would with a single rate when you could heat the hot water and run the pool pump during the day using your own power.
It's a hidden cost that won't show up on any bill ( how convenient for the power cos) but you will be paying none the less.
The story is never as simple and straight forward as it appears.
Not so in the US. We get to "sell" power to the power at peak times and buy the electricity back the same day for 400% less. But there is a catch.... If at the end of the year we have any energy credit dollars, we have to give those kWhrs/energy credit dollars to the power company for free.That's not correct in San Diego. They will buy it back at wholesale rates.
So can you even trade kWhrs? If you have an extra one can you "loan" it to the San Diego power company until you need it say at night? Some of PG&E rate plans are like that. (PG&E has 9 different residential rate plans.) The newest rate plans have PG&E buying extra electricity from residential customers at the current (meaning time of day) retail rate. Meaning during mid-day if I have one extra kWhr I can sell it to PG&E for $0.50. Later the same day I can buy that kWhr back for just $0.12. The $0.38 difference is goes into my energy credit "bank" so I can buy kWhrs at a later time when I need them. But I have to pay current price. Not sure about San Diego, but here in PG&E territory our rate changes 5 times every weekday and 3 times on weekends. In the summer prices for peak times increase by 40% or $0.12 per kWhr.
No, I looked at an address in London. It would have been easy for Simon to just show the numbers like you did. Yet I don't quite get why I can't get the low rates you write about in London. As I wrote before: there is no use to cherry pick the highest numbers in a discussion and neither is cherry picking the lowest numbers.
Go to http://uswitch.com/gas-electricity/and you always end up with approx (+/-20%) 0.20/day, 0.10/night; just like Simon told you, over and over.
- Postal Code: E17 7TA (North London), or SW11 6BZ (Clapham, SW London), or basically anywhere in London or outside of London (B10 9BT for a random B'ham postal code)
- Electricity only - no gas
- Pick any supplier
- Economy 7 meter (this is the day night meter) - YES
- Pick the standard plan (there will be cheaper ones too)
No, I looked at an address in London. It would have been easy for Simon to just show the numbers like you did. Yet I don't quite get why I can't get the low rates you write about in London. As I wrote before: there is no use to cherry pick the highest numbers in a discussion and neither is cherry picking the lowest numbers.
Go to http://uswitch.com/gas-electricity/and you always end up with approx (+/-20%) 0.20/day, 0.10/night; just like Simon told you, over and over.
- Postal Code: E17 7TA (North London), or SW11 6BZ (Clapham, SW London), or basically anywhere in London or outside of London (B10 9BT for a random B'ham postal code)
- Electricity only - no gas
- Pick any supplier
- Economy 7 meter (this is the day night meter) - YES
- Pick the standard plan (there will be cheaper ones too)
I'll give it another try later. I've learned not to take what people say for granted without being able to verify for myself.
So can you even trade kWhrs? If you have an extra one can you "loan" it to the San Diego power company until you need it say at night? Some of PG&E rate plans are like that. (PG&E has 9 different residential rate plans.) The newest rate plans have PG&E buying extra electricity from residential customers at the current (meaning time of day) retail rate. Meaning during mid-day if I have one extra kWhr I can sell it to PG&E for $0.50. Later the same day I can buy that kWhr back for just $0.12. The $0.38 difference is goes into my energy credit "bank" so I can buy kWhrs at a later time when I need them. But I have to pay current price. Not sure about San Diego, but here in PG&E territory our rate changes 5 times every weekday and 3 times on weekends. In the summer prices for peak times increase by 40% or $0.12 per kWhr.
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Your power deals sound so good it makes me wonder how the power cos stay in business!
Then again, solar setups you pay $25K for we pay a fifth of that.
You can get 6.6Kw worth of panels with a 5 Kw inverter for $4-6K here all day long.
Maybe you should concentrate on explaining to us how ICE is more efficient than electric, I'm sure you have some dodgy website you can use as proof!