The government was actively supporting these companies and helping to fund them.
The overpricing is the main reason I DIY my solar setup and I suggest others do the same. (The other big reasons are to make it economical to start small and to have a setup I can easily take with me when I move.) I had the vision to do it when I was in college (sadly, batteries and LED bulbs were just too expensive back then - the ripoff $40/month service charge would easily buy a minimalist setup nowadays!) and I made it reality last year. I also got the chance to use my setup to spread the word about DIY solar and show my friends how I use technology to make the world a better place.
The overpricing is the main reason I DIY my solar setup and I suggest others do the same. (The other big reasons are to make it economical to start small and to have a setup I can easily take with me when I move.) I had the vision to do it when I was in college (sadly, batteries and LED bulbs were just too expensive back then - the ripoff $40/month service charge would easily buy a minimalist setup nowadays!) and I made it reality last year. I also got the chance to use my setup to spread the word about DIY solar and show my friends how I use technology to make the world a better place.Me too, my DIY solar does all my hot water and a little power for the house, although its grid tied I measure and limit what I export to the minimium to avoid wear and tear on my system as I don't get paid for export (consiquence of DIY). This thread seems to have drifted somewhat from cars
Yup, you are right, let’s push them back in line.
“Morris Minor”
That should do it.
Yup, you are right, let’s push them back in line.
“Morris Minor”
That should do it.
How?
I’ve talked to former sales solar sales people and Solar City/Tesla is all about hitting sales numbers. People are calling solar sales the new “used car” industry.
On the consumer side solar has been made so complex all people are saying is how much money will I save per month if I install solar? If they here $10 per month on. $200 bill they think it’s a great deal feel they are doing something “good”.
And what Solar City is doing to minorities and people of color is disgusting. They “sell” them on the idea they will be getting all of their electricty for free from solar while sticking them into a PACE HERO high interest government backed loan. I’ve talked to some solar companies who only do these PACE HERO sales because they can make more money and the people are easier to dupe. One of the solar companies has a promo video showing an 85 year old women of color talking about the “free” electricty she is receiving by installing solar. “Free” is not correct. She is paying a premium for her electricity because they arranged for her to get a PACE HERO loan.
It’s discraseful what the solar industry is doing to poor people.
Sad isn't it. Who is going to buy a $40,000 solar system from a "guy" standing in front of a supermarket. I've been told average cost for marketing material is $5,000 per home. Or out of that $40,000 solar system being installed on someone's home, $5,000 of the $40,000 was spent on marketing.
Sad isn't it. Who is going to buy a $40,000 solar system from a "guy" standing in front of a supermarket. I've been told average cost for marketing material is $5,000 per home. Or out of that $40,000 solar system being installed on someone's home, $5,000 of the $40,000 was spent on marketing.
There are always people talking to them, no idea what their conversion rate is though.
Even if you had a $200 a month power bill that went to zero, it would take 17 years to pay them off with no financing charges. I think they are selling an antidote to liberal guilt, not solar. I have gotten door to door solar salesmen too, and my house is surrounded by very large trees. I get like an hour of sun on my roof a day. I'm all for solar, but it is getting ridiculous.
At the same supermarket I see people offering to raise your electric rate to help spur renewable energy in the region. This is in the Pacific NW, which already has one of the highest renewable energy share of the market in the world. See other users discussions earlier in this thread for details.
But... knowing the Tories in Britain they will regulate it into building code in such a way that you have little or no option but to pay their (Tory MPs) friends' corporations loads of money to install and maintain it if you want to GTI the over gen, apply for home insurance or to sell your house.
But... knowing the Tories in Britain they will regulate it into building code in such a way that you have little or no option but to pay their (Tory MPs) friends' corporations loads of money to install and maintain it if you want to GTI the over gen, apply for home insurance or to sell your house.Politics and engineering dont mix! We can all try to backstab whatever party we don't like on here but it serves no usefull purpose
PACE HERO
PACE HERO
Why the fuck is government getting into providing loans with payment being done through property taxes? How does that make any sense at all other than obfuscation of costs and scamming people?
PS. the ONLY way I could ever see this making sense is if you want to do some renovation which can be funded by this, but you're planning to walk away from your mortgage in a couple of years. In literally every other situation it can not possibly make any sense whatsoever. What the hell was Obama thinking supporting this outright evil shit?
Around here those new electric scooters are taking over the world.
Around here those new electric scooters are taking over the world.
Lasts Sunday I drove down a busy business street and there were at least 3 groups ( 5 to 8 ) of teenagers riding the rental scooters.
It was on the news recently that soon Volvo will stop making gas cars.
California dictators want to outlaw gas cars.
Today there was a commercial on a luxury car (forgot name) and they said their electric (hybrid?) was comparably priced with their other models.
So electric cars will become mainstream faster than we think.
Hire green lobbiests and convince the President to have the governement pay 30%.
Hire green lobbiests and convince the President to have the governement pay 30%.
The government isn't paying 30%, the government is helping to hide the trust cost of the loan and is offering its services to scammers to break your legs if you don't pay up. If I just thought it was every day corruption I wouldn't have called it evil.
In the US electric car buyers also get $10,000 in tax credits and cash for buying an electric car.
The tax credit is max $7500 (less if battery is below the minimum size). And no, they do not get any “ cash”.
The tax credit is max $7500 (less if battery is below the minimum size). And no, they do not get any “ cash”.
If you are in a 15% fed tax bracket (lowest), what is the savings in your pocket? I think it is 7500 x .15 = $1,125 Still not enough to help the masses, just enough to help the power brokers. So if I bought one, I would pay $1,125 less in taxes and get audited on why someone in my 15% tax bracket could afford a EC.
A 7500 tax credit is not $7500 !
This is NOT a reason to hit the "mainstream". The matching of price of gas and electric in cars that the masses can buy will then it become mainstream (not in my lifetime). I will pay attention next time to the luxury car ad that said it matches their gas cars. Now I would like to know the prices.
The tax credit is max $7500 (less if battery is below the minimum size). And no, they do not get any “ cash”.
If you are in a 15% fed tax bracket (lowest), what is the savings in your pocket? I think it is 7500 x .15 = $1,125 Still not enough to help the masses, just enough to help the power brokers. So if I bought one, I would pay $1,125 less in taxes and get audited on why someone in my 15% tax bracket could afford a EC.
A 7500 tax credit is not $7500 !
This is NOT a reason to hit the "mainstream". The matching of price of gas and electric in cars that the masses can buy will then it become mainstream (not in my lifetime). I will pay attention next time to the luxury car ad that said it matches their gas cars. Now I would like to know the prices.
The tax credit is max $7500 (less if battery is below the minimum size). And no, they do not get any “ cash”.
If you are in a 15% fed tax bracket (lowest), what is the savings in your pocket? I think it is 7500 x .15 = $1,125 Still not enough to help the masses, just enough to help the power brokers. So if I bought one, I would pay $1,125 less in taxes and get audited on why someone in my 15% tax bracket could afford a EC.
A 7500 tax credit is not $7500 !
This is NOT a reason to hit the "mainstream". The matching of price of gas and electric in cars that the masses can buy will then it become mainstream (not in my lifetime). I will pay attention next time to the luxury car ad that said it matches their gas cars. Now I would like to know the prices.A Tax credit means if you owe the government 10,000 in taxes and you get a credit for $7500 then you will owe the government $2500.
If you are in a 15% fed tax bracket (lowest), what is the savings in your pocket? I think it is 7500 x .15 = $1,125 Still not enough to help the masses, just enough to help the power brokers.