Why pay more for something which does less?
Lower cost of ownership therefore lower overall cost.
More convenient for everyday use - no time and miles wasted driving to and waiting at a gas/petrol station.
Greater energy efficiency.
In most cases better performance.
If you care about it - lower CO2 and lower pollutant emissions (potentially much lower depending on how your electricity is generated).
There just don’t have the range needed for a trip to Lake Tahoe or a trip to the wine country.
There just don’t have the range needed for a trip to Lake Tahoe or a trip to the wine country.
What are you taking about? The wine country is less than 100 miles from the Bay Area.
Lake Tahoe is about 200 miles which would be a stretch for a Chevy Bolt - though chargng while stopping for a meal would solve that issue.
Neither is an issue for Teslas give their range and the availability of their super chargers on these routes.
And of course PHEVs have range issues at all.
Tesla engineers who like skiing and wine buy Volts as they don’t trust there Tesla’s to be able to make the trip reliably.
Tesla engineers who like skiing and wine buy Volts as they don’t trust there Tesla’s to be able to make the trip reliably.Source??
If one is trying to drive to Tahoe and back the same day, then yes, lines at Teslas charging stations would mean a wait. But it’s a non-issue if spending the night (as many do) as long as you stay someplace where you can charge. I know someone who lives in SF with a model S that does just that.
As far as your nonsense claim about the Wine Country - there is zero issues with range getting there and back the same day without a recharge for many BEVs.
There’s no question that range can be an issue for BEVs depending on destination but the SF to wine country trip is not one of them. Tahoe could be if one wants to go there and back in one day. (I’ve done that in an ICE and it sucks spending 5-6 hours in the car just for one day of skiing).
PHEVs have no range issues of course. I think the optimal solution for the typical 2 car American family would be one BEV and one PHEV for long trips.
You're arguing with the same guy that said very little of my energy comes from Hydroelectric (90% of it does here). He's here to talk about nuclear, not Electric Cars. He's also very confused about the availability of charging stations between the HQ of Tesla, and the Battery Provider of Tesla (outside Reno). There are a *lot*
Hell, when I used to live in the Bay area and drive to Tahoe for a ski weekend, it was not uncommon to see long lines at gas stations in Tahoe on Sunday night due to poor planning by ICE drivers.
Hell, when I used to live in the Bay area and drive to Tahoe for a ski weekend, it was not uncommon to see long lines at gas stations in Tahoe on Sunday night due to poor planning by ICE drivers.
But as it only takes minutes not hours to refill an ICE those queues are quick.
As for a trip to the wine country. Can you tell me where all of the charging stations are in Sonoma?
Yes there are some, but have you ever been to the wine country on a weekend?
Where exactly are the Tesla folks going to get a charge to make it home?
As for a trip to the wine country. Can you tell me where all of the charging stations are in Sonoma?Now I know you're trolling. Boffin just posted a map.QuoteYes there are some, but have you ever been to the wine country on a weekend?YesQuoteWhere exactly are the Tesla folks going to get a charge to make it home?Why would they need to charge?. It's less than 100 miles round trip from SF to Napa. It's less than 200 miles round trip between most of the wineries in the wine country and most of the Bay area and less than 250 miles from the southern tip of the SF Bay Area to the northern reach of the Sonoma/Napa wine country.
I'm beginning to think you've never been there.
But of course if they wanted to charge there are multiple options as the map Boffin posted shows.
Also, has anyone noticed that if you want a CVT that lasts, pretty much your only affordable option is a Toyota hybrid or plug in hybrid?What's wrong with Toyota's CVT that are not in hybrid cars? Other people, like Honda, make satisfactory CVTs. It seems to be mostly the JATCO (subsidiary of Nissan) CVTs that have got them a bad name for reliability.
As for a trip to the wine country. Can you tell me where all of the charging stations are in Sonoma?Now I know you're trolling. Boffin just posted a map.QuoteYes there are some, but have you ever been to the wine country on a weekend?YesQuoteWhere exactly are the Tesla folks going to get a charge to make it home?Why would they need to charge?. It's less than 100 miles round trip from SF to Napa. It's less than 200 miles round trip between most of the wineries in the wine country and most of the Bay area and less than 250 miles from the southern tip of the SF Bay Area to the northern reach of the Sonoma/Napa wine country.
I'm beginning to think you've never been there.
But of course if they wanted to charge there are multiple options as the map Boffin posted shows.
I think he must be trolling, especially the unwillingness to discuss EV cars, and not nuclear in this thread.
As for my map, it is a little misleading, it doesn't show all charging stations, only those compatible with my car; so there's actually more.
Why pay more for something which does less?Lower cost of ownership therefore lower overall cost.
More convenient for everyday use - no time and miles wasted driving to and waiting at a gas/petrol station.
Greater energy efficiency.
In most cases better performance.
Why pay more for something which does less?Lower cost of ownership therefore lower overall cost.Not true. I've shown the math.
QuoteMore convenient for everyday use - no time and miles wasted driving to and waiting at a gas/petrol station.Not true. Waiting 60 minutes at a charging station or 5 minutes at a petrol station (which is along the way anyway) for the same range is not more convenient.
QuoteGreater energy efficiency.That is highly debatable and greatly dependant on how the electricity is generated.
QuoteIn most cases better performance.But for a much shorter period of time and the batteries don't like the abuse either.
In the end you want a functional car to go from A to B and not a fun toy.
If you want a fun toy then a Ford Mustang is cheaper at US $27k compared to the average EV.
Why pay more for something which does less?Lower cost of ownership therefore lower overall cost.Not true. I've shown the math. Just to offset the purchase price you have to drive 150000km or more assuming the electricity is free and the batteries last forever. And then there is also the unknown value when you want to trade it in. The next owner is likely to need a new battery at some point.
Why do you all anyone who has an opinion a troll?
No, you haven't shown the math. Your argument was "Your EV" vs "Extremely inexpensive gasoline vehicle".
No, you haven't shown the math. Your argument was "Your EV" vs "Extremely inexpensive gasoline vehicle".No, I compared an equivalent gasoline vehicle to compare apples with apples. The Ford Focus is targeted at the same audience as the VW Golf and thus lives in the same price range and has similar abilities. You are just proving my point that you seek justification for your purchase and therefore choose to ignore/warp the numbers.
Tesla engineers who like skiing and wine buy Volts as they don’t trust there Tesla’s to be able to make the trip reliably.Source??
If one is trying to drive to Tahoe and back the same day, then yes, lines at Teslas charging stations would mean a wait. But it’s a non-issue if spending the night (as many do) as long as you stay someplace where you can charge. I know someone who lives in SF with a model S that does just that.
As far as your nonsense claim about the Wine Country - there is zero issues with range getting there and back the same day without a recharge for many BEVs.
There’s no question that range can be an issue for BEVs depending on destination but the SF to wine country trip is not one of them. Tahoe could be if one wants to go there and back in one day. (I’ve done that in an ICE and it sucks spending 5-6 hours in the car just for one day of skiing).
PHEVs have no range issues of course. I think the optimal solution for the typical 2 car American family would be one BEV and one PHEV for long trips.
You're arguing with the same guy that said very little of my energy comes from Hydroelectric (90% of it does here). He's here to talk about nuclear, not Electric Cars. He's also very confused about the availability of charging stations between the HQ of Tesla, and the Battery Provider of Tesla (outside Reno). There are a *lot*
You have repeatedly in this thread and multiple other threads, stated something as a fact without any reference or source and which are demonstrably false. When called out and shown evidence of the mistruth of your statement, you either ignore the facts and keep repeating the same statement or move onto another subject again stating things as factual (not opinion) that are not accurate and the pattern repeats over and over in multiple threads.
Let me just summarize what you're saying:
"A VW Golf vs VW eGolf isn't apples to apples, but a Ford Focus*1 vs VW eGolf is apples to apples".
Let me just summarize what you're saying:
"A VW Golf vs VW eGolf isn't apples to apples, but a Ford Focus*1 vs VW eGolf is apples to apples".
No no, he didn't say "A VW Golf vs VW eGolf isn't apples to apples", the rest is correct, and true.