In a real world scenario nobody is going to drive that much in a 24 hour period though. If you need to go that far it makes much more sense to take an airplane. Of course that's not very green, but perhaps once electric cars are mainstream the next step is to look into electric planes. The biggest challenge is always going to be electricity storage so it's something we need to figure out.
You may opt may not like Elon or Tesla, but give credit where credit is due. Elon is changing, no HAS CHANGED our world. Talk about disruption....
With Ford in talks with merging with Volks Wagon and GM closing manufacturing facilities and cutting jobs
Model 3 - World Record: 1643 miles in 24 hours (including recharge)
Yet we're led to believe electric cars can't cover long distances in a short amount of time -They can't. That is an average speed of 109km/h in a country where there is no speed limit. FFS! My wife & I cruise at 150km/h through Germany and at 130km/h through other countries. My wife and I would need less than 18 hours to cover the same distance @ 150km/h through Germany.Guess I’m not understanding you. They claim to have done it, yet you say they can’t? Can you explain?Emphasis added. Either way your post about the 'world record' clearly underlines why EVs don't work well for long distances because the time needed for charging makes the effective speed go down a lot. There is also a world record for the fastest snail: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/70393-fastest-snail-racing An equally useful record.
Making up history again. EVs have already died off once and the way things are (not) going with suitable batteries EVs will likely die off again. And again due to the batteries. Maybe in another 50 years after really good batteries have been invented EVs stand a chance.
But the point is that the record you are referring to is a record for doing something in a really obfustigated way.
The last few posts make the the joke about statisticians being the expert you bring in when the figures can't lie for themselves quite clear. Folks on both sides of the argument have presented correct facts and math, with neither side telling the whole story or believing that the other side has a point.
Another example of how figures can be used in opposite directions comes from my own case. While I don't have exact statistics, I am confident that I well over 95% of my trips are of lengths that a wide variety of electric vehicles will support. On the other hand, since the few trips that don't fit that profile are literally 100s of times longer than the short trips a significant majority of my travel miles are on trips that an EV is challenged to support. How that plays into the overall decision depends on other specific use factors. For example the distance to the closest rental agency and parking fees in or around that rental agency.
Clearly electric vehicles can go long distances. Equally clearly, ICE vehicles can go further in the same time period for time periods over a few hours. Which one is adequate and which one is better depends on specifics of use cases and preferences.
In a real world scenario nobody is going to drive that much in a 24 hour period though. If you need to go that far it makes much more sense to take an airplane. Of course that's not very green, but perhaps once electric cars are mainstream the next step is to look into electric planes. The biggest challenge is always going to be electricity storage so it's something we need to figure out.A lot of people drive 7 to 10 hours a day for 2 or even 3 days when going on a holiday. Using an EV would add several hours to the travel time. The problem with an airplane is that you can't bring so much stuff like a tent, bicycles, clothes, etc.
Making up history again. EVs have already died off once and the way things are (not) going with suitable batteries EVs will likely die off again. And again due to the batteries. Maybe in another 50 years after really good batteries have been invented EVs stand a chance.
At some point that number will flatten off due to market saturation. In the end it comes down to the willingness of people to buy electric cars. A study made by the Dutch government (https://www.pbl.nl/sites/default/files/cms/publicaties/pbl-2016-stimuleren-van-elektrisch-rijden-1924.pdf ) from 2016 shows that people a more willing to buy Hydrogen powered cars than EVs due to the long time it takes to charge an EV. Buying an ICE car is still the most likely scenario.
Don’t know of one car manufacture that’s producing hydrogen powered cars in any quantity.
Don’t know of one car manufacture that’s producing hydrogen powered cars in any quantity.As far as I understand the hydrogen powered cars produced to date have been sold at a lot, and only made to meet compliance conditions. Until there are more cost effective nobody is going to make them in greater volumes than they need to. A few people, like Mercdes, say they have greatly reduced the use of expensive materials in prototype fuel cells. We will have to see how that works out in production. They still have things like the heavy and expensive fuel tank, and its associated plumbing, to work on.
I would not say a lot of hydrogen fuel cell cars have been sold. But Japan is saying they will be Hydrogen powered by 2022. That's only 3 years..... We will see. Where I live there is only one fuleing station that's 20 miles away. But as we know with the technology we have hydrogen powered cars require more enegy to produces, compress, transoprt and store the fuel than would be used to power the car.
Don’t know of one car manufacture that’s producing hydrogen powered cars in any quantity.As far as I understand the hydrogen powered cars produced to date have been sold at a lot, and only made to meet compliance conditions. Until there are more cost effective nobody is going to make them in greater volumes than they need to. A few people, like Mercdes, say they have greatly reduced the use of expensive materials in prototype fuel cells. We will have to see how that works out in production. They still have things like the heavy and expensive fuel tank, and its associated plumbing, to work on.I would not say a lot of hydrogen fuel cell cars have been sold. But Japan is saying they will be Hydrogen powered by 2022. That's only 3 years..... We will see. Where I live there is only one fuleing station that's 20 miels away. But as we know with the technology we have hydrogen powered cars require more enegy to produces, compress, transoprt and store the fuel than would be used to power the car.
EVs are the future of personal and commercial ground transportation. Period. Full stop.
All of the large, legacy auto manufacturers are now admitting this and all have EVs for sale and/or in development.
No, they will not be an easy plug and play replacement for ICE vehicles with their large supportive infrastructure developed over the past 100 years with $trillions$ of government subsidies. But they will replace them nevertheless.
The process is already well underway evidenced by the sales numbers and development plans for new EVs and discontinuation of ICE vehicles by the large automakers. The only ones who don't seem to accept this are the uninformed or those whose political biases or cognitive dissoance prevent them from acknowledging it.
Their will never be anything to fully replace the amazing combination of energy density and easy transportability of oil derived liquid fuels. Hydrogen was an idea explored as a possibility but the last few decades have proven that the expense and difficulty of transporting and transferring it safely and efficiently along with other short comings mean that it will never become a primary means of fueling vehicles. The few legacy token research and prototype vehicles are all that remains of that pipe dream.
Biofuels are also a dead end for mass adoption which is clear to anyone who understands their energetics and fossil fuel dependence for mass production.
EVs are the best we can do and all we can hope for is that the political will materializes to allow a fast enough transition away from fossil fuel dependent electricity production so that future generations will have some availability of mechanized transportation as the oil age comes to a close.
I think there's are reason Volvo and Tesala are in the EV camp..... It is our future. If you dsagree start making cars and see if anyone will buy them.
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The november figures are there, and as usual, they look excellent
https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
I'm talking year over year comparison for November (i.e. monthly) sales.
November 2017: 17,178
November 2018: 39,274