I pay about $20 a year extra on my auto insurance for free roadside assistance and towing. I've never needed to use it to be towed. I have used when I've run out of gas...
It might help if you read what I said. Three of the five sentences there were to emphasize what your point was. But it wasn't what you said. You said they rave about being able to plug in every night. This is in a comment about separating fact from opinion.
But they do rave about being able to plug it in at night, because it's a convenient alternative to going to a gas station and stopping to fill up as they had to do previously. Do I really need to explicitly explain that it is not the actual act of plugging it in that they enjoy doing but the fact that they effortlessly have a fully fueled car each day?
..........If I could easily convert my car so I could just plug it in after pulling into my garage and let it charge (or fill the gas tank) while I sleep I would jump on that in a heartbeat, it would be a fantastic convenience, I hate having to drive out of my way to go to a gas station when I'd rather just get home
That won't work for everybody, so what? Nobody here has ever claimed that it will. The people it won't work with should stick with ICE powered cars, liquid fuel is a superior option for people who can't plug in and charge at home, but why do people pretend there aren't tens of millions of people who can? I'm not sure what causes the "it won't work for me therefor it won't work for anyone" attitude, mental illness? It's quite frankly bizarre.
I see EV's driving around every day, I know people who had had them for years now, several of my neighbors have them charging in their garages and driveways right now. To the point of this thread, they *already are* mainstream, hundreds of thousands of them are on the road, it's a bit silly to argue otherwise.
It might help if you read what I said. Three of the five sentences there were to emphasize what your point was. But it wasn't what you said. You said they rave about being able to plug in every night. This is in a comment about separating fact from opinion.But they do rave about being able to plug it in at night, because it's a convenient alternative to going to a gas station and stopping to fill up as they had to do previously. Do I really need to explicitly explain that it is not the actual act of plugging it in that they enjoy doing but the fact that they effortlessly have a fully fueled car each day?
Maybe I have to make really simple. Always leaving the house with a full tank is what people are raving about.
Maybe I have to make really simple. Always leaving the house with a full tank is what people are raving about.But why is that necessary at all...? IMHO lack of range! If you do the math it is likely that an EV owner spends more time plugging/unplugging and searching for a parking spot with a charger than it would take to fill up an ICE based car every once in a while. A typical ICE has enough fuel left to travel 80km in any condition when the 'now I need a drink' light goes on. In cold winter conditions the range of some EVs drops to less than 150km (unless the driver likes to freeze to death). Range anxiety still is a real thing. OTOH I'm not going to fill up my car to the brim if there is enough fuel in the tank to cover the distance. And if there isn't enough I'll just stop somewhere for a quick refill. The whole 'plugging in everywhere is better than filling up once in a while' idea is utterly moronic if you really think about it.
Maybe I have to make really simple. Always leaving the house with a full tank is what people are raving about.But why is that necessary at all...? IMHO lack of range! If you do the math it is likely that an EV owner spends more time plugging/unplugging and searching for a parking spot with a charger than it would take to fill up an ICE based car every once in a while. A typical ICE has enough fuel left to travel 80km in any condition when the 'now I need a drink' light goes on. In cold winter conditions the range of some EVs drops to less than 150km (unless the driver likes to freeze to death). Range anxiety still is a real thing. OTOH I'm not going to fill up my car to the brim if there is enough fuel in the tank to cover the distance. And if there isn't enough I'll just stop somewhere for a quick refill. The whole 'plugging in everywhere is better than filling up once in a while' idea is utterly moronic if you really think about it.
Maybe I have to make really simple. Always leaving the house with a full tank is what people are raving about.But why is that necessary at all...? IMHO lack of range! If you do the math it is likely that an EV owner spends more time plugging/unplugging and searching for a parking spot with a charger than it would take to fill up an ICE based car every once in a while. A typical ICE has enough fuel left to travel 80km in any condition when the 'now I need a drink' light goes on. In cold winter conditions the range of some EVs drops to less than 150km (unless the driver likes to freeze to death). Range anxiety still is a real thing. OTOH I'm not going to fill up my car to the brim if there is enough fuel in the tank to cover the distance. And if there isn't enough I'll just stop somewhere for a quick refill. The whole 'plugging in everywhere is better than filling up once in a while' idea is utterly moronic if you really think about it.Most BEVs now have range close or equal to ICE vehicles - so "filling up" daily is not necessary.
For the smell they have free gloves over here. But let's run some numbers here. Say you have a 60km (back & forth) daily commute and you plug in at work as well. Say that plugging / unplugging takes 15 seconds each time so 60 seconds (=1 minute) a day. A reasonably ICE has a range ot about 700km. That means you can drive 11 days straight with one fuel stop. Over here (in Europe I mean) they have many gas station with pumps where you can pay directly so no need to wait before paying. Refuelling at such a gas station takes 5 minutes at most. So in those 11 days you'll spend 11 minutes on the EV versus 5 minutes with the ICE. If fueling time is so important then who is the crazy person here?
Again - your constant nonsense is just like all the ranting a few years ago about all the short comings of DSOs by people who had never actually used one. In the end it turns out there are only a few niche areas where analog scopes have an advantage over DSOs.
EVs are now mainstream. As time goes on the edge cases where an ICE vehicle is the better solution will become a smaller and small subset of all vehicle use.
Maybe I have to make really simple. Always leaving the house with a full tank is what people are raving about. Not having to make an extra stop away from home is what the benefit is. Having to plug it in at night isn't what makes it great, it is the small price you pay for those other desirable things.
This is the kind of crap that happens when people are so invested in winning that they are no longer really paying attention to the other half. I'll own up to my half of this, I shouldn't be writing this post. Do you see yours?
Most BEVs now have range close or equal to ICE vehicles - so "filling up" daily is not necessary. But why not fill up daily when it is cheap and painless?. Why do I plug my phone in every night even though in reality a charge can last several days?
Most BEVs now have range close or equal to ICE vehicles - so "filling up" daily is not necessary. But why not fill up daily when it is cheap and painless?. Why do I plug my phone in every night even though in reality a charge can last several days?My 2009 Honda Civic hybrid has a 500 mile range, even with its small gas tank.
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My 2009 Honda Civic hybrid has a 500 mile range, even with its small gas tank.How is it you get so much more than the other hybrid cars?
I'm surprised no one yet has rigged up a raspberry Pi with openCV and some servos to see your EV pull in the garage and plug it in automatically.
It’s been proposed but no need for a Pi and circuitry it’t Tesla’s wireless charging. Same technology that sort of works for your phone and cordless tooth brush, has been proposed for cars.
But why? Takes more time to find the key for my house in my pocket and unlock my front door than it takes to plug-in the cable to charge my car. And it sure beats haveing to find a gas station an waste tine wining for the car to be filled with gas. I will say that is a huge plus with an EV,
It’s been proposed but no need for a Pi and circuitry it’t Tesla’s wireless charging. Same technology that sort of works for your phone and cordless tooth brush, has been proposed for cars.
But why? Takes more time to find the key for my house in my pocket and unlock my front door than it takes to plug-in the cable to charge my car. And it sure beats haveing to find a gas station an waste tine wining for the car to be filled with gas. I will say that is a huge plus with an EV,
Because people forget or have their hands full of groceries or use that as an excuse as to why EV's won't work.
And, BTW I don't brush my cordless tooth, I use a cordless toothbrush, spaces matter in compound words
It’s been proposed but no need for a Pi and circuitry it’t Tesla’s wireless charging. Same technology that sort of works for your phone and cordless tooth brush, has been proposed for cars.
But why? Takes more time to find the key for my house in my pocket and unlock my front door than it takes to plug-in the cable to charge my car. And it sure beats haveing to find a gas station an waste tine wining for the car to be filled with gas. I will say that is a huge plus with an EV,
Because people forget or have their hands full of groceries or use that as an excuse as to why EV's won't work.
And, BTW I don't brush my cordless tooth, I use a cordless toothbrush, spaces matter in compound words
Safari doesn't know from compound words.