Sure, the Rigol software often appears to be a set of "kludges" that were cobbled together by a committee of junior programmers who have never actually used an oscilloscope... but who remember playing with those complicated Chinese puzzle boxes as kids.
Some of these responses puzzle me. I have no trouble displaying just the measurements I want to show, turning others off, adding new ones or displaying old, previously turned off measurements. Of course I actually use the scope every day to make measurements (however quirky or wrong or misspelled they may turn out to be) so I am very familiar with how the system operates. It appears that some people weren't even aware of the "Select Item" list or haven't used it very much. I suggest playing around with this feature a bit; eventually it will "sink in" and you'll be able to use it to display what you want, without being troubled by the "greyed out, inactive but displayed anyway" problem. Use the "Select Item" list to remove undesired greyed-out items from the screen display.
Perhaps it may help to think of the measurement display as a sort of list buffer that holds the last five that you have selected and allows you to turn on or off any of those using the "Select Item" list. When you want to add a sixth one, it goes in the fifth place and pushes the rest down one position, and the old "first" one is gone. It gets slightly more complicated when you have Large or ExtraLarge fonts selected since only three or two of the five can be displayed at one time, or if you insist on displaying your chosen measurements in some particular order.QuoteThis means when you want to add a measurement that is already displayed as invisible measure "4" or "5", the scope says "measurement already added". The only way to display that measure, is first to add 2 more other measurements that you do not need, and then select the one you need again...No, that's not right either, if I am understanding you correctly. You just need to use the "Select Item" list to turn off one of the measurements of the three that are displayed, then you can turn on the one you need again.
Sure, the Rigol software often appears to be a set of "kludges" that were cobbled together by a committee of junior programmers who have never actually used an oscilloscope... but who remember playing with those complicated Chinese puzzle boxes as kids.
But what did you expect, it's only 400 dollars. Shouldn't you be happy that it even "pretends" to do measurements at all?
I have no trouble displaying just the measurements I want to show, turning others off, adding new ones or displaying old, previously turned off measurements. Of course I actually use the scope every day to make measurements (however quirky or wrong or misspelled they may turn out to be) so I am very familiar with how the system operates. It appears that some people weren't even aware of the "Select Item" list or haven't used it very much.
Perhaps it may help to think of the measurement display as a sort of list buffer that holds the last five that you have selected and allows you to turn on or off any of those using the "Select Item" list. When you want to add a sixth one, it goes in the fifth place and pushes the rest down one position, and the old "first" one is gone. It gets slightly more complicated when you have Large or ExtraLarge fonts selected since only three or two of the five can be displayed at one time, or if you insist on displaying your chosen measurements in some particular order.
Sure, the Rigol software often appears to be a set of "kludges" that were cobbled together by a committee of junior programmers who have never actually used an oscilloscope...
But what did you expect, it's only 400 dollars. Shouldn't you be happy that it even "pretends" to do measurements at all?
Has it always been this way?
Why this inconsistency in the UI?
P.S.
Also, a curiosity is my DS1054z the only one to have UV measles?
I looked at it with an UV torch: it's full of tiny yellow phosphorescent dots! Hope it's not catchy.
Now, warranty expired yesterday so paranoia is kicking in...
Why can't I make it accept the number of averages by clicking the rotary encoder?
Turn on the scope, wait for trace to appear.
Go to the Acquire menu, push top button (Mode) and select "Average" with the rotary selection knob .
When you press the selecting knob the item is memorized.
"Averages" item lights up and says "2".
By turning the little selection knob I can choose any power of 2 I want but...
If I press the rotary knob to confirm it, I get "Parameter Limited!" and number of averages goes back to "2".
If I press the blue button next to the Averages item, though, the number of averages I select is accepted.
Has it always been this way?
Why this inconsistency in the UI?
P.S.
Also, a curiosity is my DS1054z the only one to have UV measles?
I looked at it with an UV torch: it's full of tiny yellow phosphorescent dots! Hope it's not catchy.
EDIT: some typos - not all, of course.
Also, a curiosity is my DS1054z the only one to have UV measles?
I looked at it with an UV torch: it's full of tiny yellow phosphorescent dots! Hope it's not catchy.
I assume you had to wait for a very long time to get the unit, and you barely managed to close the door behind you before you started unboxing...maybe it's...jizz?
I uploaded a picture. I probably need to apologize to my cat. The drops are too small. Maybe it's that Oust deodorant I sprayed in the room when one of those stinky bugs decided to immolate itself on a 200W alogen lamp.
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March 25 2017
I just got my brand new DSO1054 today.
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Firmware is 00.04.04.01 (00.04.04 SP 1)
Sure, the Rigol software often appears to be a set of "kludges" that were cobbled together by a committee of junior programmers who have never actually used an oscilloscope... but who remember playing with those complicated Chinese puzzle boxes as kids.
But what did you expect, it's only 400 dollars. Shouldn't you be happy that it even "pretends" to do measurements at all?
I will try the way you suggest, never tried that before, thanks for the tip.
Please don't get me wrong, I really like this scope and its extremely good value for money, but just wanted to point out the measurements could be a bit more user friendly (the select item list I did not use so far). I wanted to point this out because maybe some Rigol programmer wouldread this, and they might update this in the next firmware release. For me it was in no way meant as a bashing of Rigol.
The fact that some people here don't find it problematic doesn't mean that it's a good design.
QuoteThe fact that some people here don't find it problematic doesn't mean that it's a good design.
Does the fact that lots of people buy and use the scope happily mean it's a bad design?
QuoteThe fact that some people here don't find it problematic doesn't mean that it's a good design.Does the fact that lots of people buy and use the scope happily mean it's a bad design?
Oh, I don't exactly disagree with you....
but.... "you get what you pay for", and sometimes, with Chinese stuff, you get even less.
You've done nothing but disagree with everyone who complains about this bad UI.
Sure, the Rigol software often appears to be a set of "kludges" that were cobbled together by a committee of junior programmers who have never actually used an oscilloscope... but who remember playing with those complicated Chinese puzzle boxes as kids.
The fact that lots of people buy it and use it happily says absolutely nothing about whether it's a good design or not, only that it's not so bad as to be a deal-breaker. People tolerate poor designs all the time, for various reasons (mostly for lack of alternatives, or because it's too expensive to replace something that's already purchased). Only once it goes beyond a particular pain threshold do we take action. That threshold is very individual. (For me, it's low: it's why I can't stand using Windows and Linux, the little tiny usability problems in them drive me nuts. Most people have a higher threshold, and that's fine.)