Fossil fuels running out anytime soon? Don’t think so. We keep finding more and more deposits. And aren’t fossil fuels renewable if one waits long enough?Can you list some of these amazing recent finds? Everything I have seen shows that people get really excited about a find that might power the world for just a day or two, because those are the only ones being found. They also call into question how realistic the figures for remaining reserves in currently worked fields might be.
There are untapped oil reserves in and around the San Francisco Bay Area. Plenty of oil still left in Southern California and in the mid-East of the United States. There’s a lot left in Canada and doen’t Africa have quite a bit.
Last year reserve estimates grew by about 6 billion bbl. (And the year before reserve estimates decreased by 11 billion bbl!).
In contrast, the world currently consumes about 35 billion bbl of oil per year.
Last year reserve estimates grew by about 6 billion bbl. (And the year before reserve estimates decreased by 11 billion bbl!).
In contrast, the world currently consumes about 35 billion bbl of oil per year.And there is enough oil left for another 40 years.
Can we get this topic back on Electric Cars ?
Hey, even Musk burns kerosene in his rockets! Irritates the fanboys much?
What happens if/when we are suddenly out of oil and we have not prepared for that transition?
Fossil fuels running out anytime soon? Don’t think so. We keep finding more and more deposits. And aren’t fossil fuels renewable if one waits long enough?Can you list some of these amazing recent finds? Everything I have seen shows that people get really excited about a find that might power the world for just a day or two, because those are the only ones being found. They also call into question how realistic the figures for remaining reserves in currently worked fields might be.
There are untapped oil reserves in and around the San Francisco Bay Area. Plenty of oil still left in Southern California and in the mid-East of the United States. There’s a lot left in Canada and doen’t Africa have quite a bit.
Are you just trolling now? I've addressed this claim by you in the past. There is no significant amount of oil left in California. Once again see here. You can see California or any other states reserves.
For worldwide figures, see the link in my post above or for the latest and greatest full blown report by BP here. The proven reserves have not increased significantly in recent years despite ever increasing world oil consumption.
Of the proven reserves that do exist - much of them will never be economically or energetically viable to extract.
Please don't just keep repeating the same nonsense unless you have some data to back it up.
No nonsense here. It appears you are preprogrammed to not look at the fact, figures and others evidence other have to offer it they don’t agree with your beliefs. For decades we have been told were are running out of oil reserves. And for decades that’s proven to be false as we continue to find new oils deposits.
Please explain to me why you believe Southern California is running out of oil and why you think there is no untapped oil in the San Francisco Bay Area?
The reality is the world will never run out of oil. Anyone who says the world is running out of oil is propagating false environmental propaganda with an agenda. If someone like you would visit California you could see this for yourself. There are many oil wells which have been shut down not because they were pumped dry. But because they were not profitabe. There’s still oil there. And when oil prices increase they will once again start pumping.
Do you have any idea how much oil is in Southern California? And how that compares to the other states? Or how much oil lies under the San Francisco Bay Area?
Rest assured we have so much oil a non EV powered hearse will be able to drive your casket to your grave site. As well as you children and great grand children.
https://www.thebalance.com/oil-reserves-definition-categories-world-s-largest-3305873
No nonsense here. It appears you are preprogrammed to not look at the fact, figures and others evidence other have to offer it they don’t agree with your beliefs. For decades we have been told were are running out of oil reserves. And for decades that’s proven to be false as we continue to find new oils deposits.
Please explain to me why you believe Southern California is running out of oil and why you think there is no untapped oil in the San Francisco Bay Area?
The reality is the world will never run out of oil. Anyone who says the world is running out of oil is propagating false environmental propaganda with an agenda. If someone like you would visit California you could see this for yourself. There are many oil wells which have been shut down not because they were pumped dry. But because they were not profitabe. There’s still oil there. And when oil prices increase they will once again start pumping.
Do you have any idea how much oil is in Southern California? And how that compares to the other states? Or how much oil lies under the San Francisco Bay Area?
Rest assured we have so much oil a non EV powered hearse will be able to drive your casket to your grave site. As well as you children and great grand children.
https://www.thebalance.com/oil-reserves-definition-categories-world-s-largest-3305873Did you post the wrong link, because that one doesn't seem to support your claims?
Do you think oil is being continuously and rapidly generated within the Earth, because that would seem to be the only way running out is not possible?
Did you post the wrong link, because that one doesn't seem to support your claims?
Do you think oil is being continuously and rapidly generated within the Earth, because that would seem to be the only way running out is not possible?
Not sure where our communications break down is. I never used the word rapidly. Fossil fuels are and will continually producde until one of the reactants is no longer available..... It’s just chemistry.
Please explain to me why you believe Southern California is running out of oil and why you think there is no untapped oil in the San Francisco Bay Area?
If someone like you would visit California you could see this for yourself.
There are many oil wells which have been shut down not because they were pumped dry.
Do you have any idea how much oil is in Southern California? And how that compares to the other states?
Did you post the wrong link, because that one doesn't seem to support your claims?
Did you post the wrong link, because that one doesn't seem to support your claims?
Do you think oil is being continuously and rapidly generated within the Earth, because that would seem to be the only way running out is not possible?
Not sure where our communications break down is. I never used the word rapidly. Fossil fuels are and will continually producde until one of the reactants is no longer available..... It’s just chemistry.Since Watt patented the first efficient steam engine in 1769 we've burned through a substantial percentage of the oil, coal and gas that took millions of years to accumulate. Sure the processes that created them are still in place and working, but that isn't going to have any useful impact on our civilisation.
Best solution we have to supply the world with the electricity we need is nuclear.
Since Watt patented the first efficient steam engine in 1769 we've burned through a substantial percentage of the oil, coal and gas that took millions of years to accumulate. Sure the processes that created them are still in place and working, but that isn't going to have any useful impact on our civilisation.
You also forgot we burned trees and whale oil. We still have trees and whales so this is a resource we consumed but was not depleted.
We still have plenty of coal and oil, but with with the technology we have to say it would be silly to continue burning it.
As we have learned there is no perfect source of energy. Best solution we have to supply the world with the electricity we need is nuclear. We have a 750 year supply of fuel with the tecnogy we have and an endless supply with next generation nuclear. We will probably never find a replacement for gas and ICE’s. The energy density in liquid fossil fuels is just to great.
Last year reserve estimates grew by about 6 billion bbl. (And the year before reserve estimates decreased by 11 billion bbl!).
In contrast, the world currently consumes about 35 billion bbl of oil per year.And there is enough oil left for another 40 years.
That assumes:
1) Oil consumption does not continue to grow. This will only be true if there is viable, growing alternatives OR if their is a global economic depression.
2) All proven reserves are economically and energetically viable for extraction - which is extremely unlikely. Much of current oil extraction is already occurring at a financial loss (made possible only by cheap credit) and for many unconventional oil and deep water extraction operations the energy returned on energy invested equation is close to break even. These problems will only escalate as the easy oil fields continue their rapid depletion.
Even if 1 and 2 occur, what then? What happens if/when we are suddenly out of oil and we have not prepared for that transition?
Last year reserve estimates grew by about 6 billion bbl. (And the year before reserve estimates decreased by 11 billion bbl!).
In contrast, the world currently consumes about 35 billion bbl of oil per year.And there is enough oil left for another 40 years.
That assumes:
1) Oil consumption does not continue to grow. This will only be true if there is viable, growing alternatives OR if their is a global economic depression.
2) All proven reserves are economically and energetically viable for extraction - which is extremely unlikely. Much of current oil extraction is already occurring at a financial loss (made possible only by cheap credit) and for many unconventional oil and deep water extraction operations the energy returned on energy invested equation is close to break even. These problems will only escalate as the easy oil fields continue their rapid depletion.
Even if 1 and 2 occur, what then? What happens if/when we are suddenly out of oil and we have not prepared for that transition?There is one extremely big flaw in your assumptions: if oil could suddenly run out then oil companies would suddenly be without profit. They are not going to let that happen.
So watch carefully in what direction the oil companies are shifting their business.
Last year reserve estimates grew by about 6 billion bbl. (And the year before reserve estimates decreased by 11 billion bbl!).
In contrast, the world currently consumes about 35 billion bbl of oil per year.And there is enough oil left for another 40 years.That assumes:
1) Oil consumption does not continue to grow. This will only be true if there is viable, growing alternatives OR if their is a global economic depression.
2) All proven reserves are economically and energetically viable for extraction - which is extremely unlikely. Much of current oil extraction is already occurring at a financial loss (made possible only by cheap credit) and for many unconventional oil and deep water extraction operations the energy returned on energy invested equation is close to break even. These problems will only escalate as the easy oil fields continue their rapid depletion.
Even if 1 and 2 occur, what then? What happens if/when we are suddenly out of oil and we have not prepared for that transition?There is one extremely big flaw in your assumptions: if oil could suddenly run out then oil companies would suddenly be without profit. They are not going to let that happen.I see you've changed the subject but ok. No - that point has nothing to do with my argument - my posit about "suddenly running out of oil" was simply making a point about the flaw in any argument that we should not be focused on renewables or EVs because "we still have plenty of oil".
I'm not changing the subject. I'm just not accepting we should change into a completely different direction today because of a problem which is decades ahead.
Dismissing features like range and fast filling is like saying a square wheel works just as well as a round one if you push harder
Even bio-fuel (ethanol) looks better.
Best solution we have to supply the world with the electricity we need is nuclear.Nope. But it's the best way to poison the surface of the earth for the next 100 million years at least.
That should solve the energy problem due to death of humans.
I'm not changing the subject. I'm just not accepting we should change into a completely different direction today because of a problem which is decades ahead.
So when would you suggest the transition to non-fossil fuel modes of transportation begin?
QuoteEven bio-fuel (ethanol) looks better.As previously explained, biofuel production on any useful scale requires huge fossil fuel inputs. It is no solution. At least with EVs - there is the possibility of the electricity being generated without fossil fuels.
Why would you need fossil fuel to generate bio-fuel? Why can't a factory be powered from solar panels, wind turbines, hydro or nuclear?
Why would you need fossil fuel to generate bio-fuel? Why can't a factory be powered from solar panels, wind turbines, hydro or nuclear?Any crop yields large enough to come anywhere close to replacing gasoline and diesel requires large amounts of nitrogen based fertilizers produced using natural gas via the Haber-Bosch process. Large amounts of petrochemical based pesticides are also required. That 5-10% ethanol in your gasoline is largely just a farm subsidy - the fossil fuel inputs required to produce it are enormous.