Had to wait for one of the two spaces, finally was able to get a space. Pulled in, only to find the charging station plug does not work with a Chevy.
As a consumer this is BS. Why isn’t there just one standard plug for electric cars? So I called the phone number on the chargaing station to see where the nearest Chevy charger was. It was over 2 miles away at a hotel. I was told to part there and take a Taxi or maybe a Uber to get to and from the shopping center.
So here you folks are talking about infrastructure, the electric car companies are fighting over what infrastructure to install. I’m a correct that Tesla makes it so only Tesla cars car be charged in Tesla Chargers? And then aren’t there three other types of electric car plugs which are all different?
Had to wait for one of the two spaces, finally was able to get a space. Pulled in, only to find the charging station plug does not work with a Chevy.
As a consumer this is BS. Why isn’t there just one standard plug for electric cars? So I called the phone number on the chargaing station to see where the nearest Chevy charger was. It was over 2 miles away at a hotel. I was told to part there and take a Taxi or maybe a Uber to get to and from the shopping center.
So here you folks are talking about infrastructure, the electric car companies are fighting over what infrastructure to install. I’m a correct that Tesla makes it so only Tesla cars car be charged in Tesla Chargers? And then aren’t there three other types of electric car plugs which are all different?That is the problem with being an early adopter. You get to deal with all the sh*t and it will get much worse before getting better (I was an early adopter of DSL internet...). In order to make EVs mainstream they'll have to charge faster which will require a totally different plug. AFAIK the reason Tesla is incompatible is not because they want to but because they want to be able to charge at higher speeds which isn't possible with the standard plugs.
Another reason EV cars won’t become mainstream is because some the them are assholes too. I recently drove to a supermarket where they had a couple of EV charging spaces. Signs around on on the EV charging stations clearly state, “Free EV car charging only while shopping at “Good Food” supermarket.
Similar to my EV parking spaces at hotels being parked in by ICE drivers, the EV charging spaces were being used by people working out in a gym across the street and others not shopping at the market wanting a free charge. What’s wrong with these people? If they did this at a gas station it would be called stealing. But for some reason EV drivers feel they can take energy from businesses for free.
I asked an employee about it, and was told it’s turning into a big problem. As people find businesses who have free charging they are taking advantage and “stealing” the power without shopping our supporting the business that’s giving them the “free” electricty.
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.
In this case it’s EV drivers who are preventing the adoption of EV vehicles and installation of charging stations.
What’s with people. These four spaces were clearly marked and reserved for EV charging. So why do ICE drivers think they can park in EV spaces? What jerks.
But then I was thinking what if there were five guests who had EVs at this hotel which had only four spaces. Would one of the four of us get a call at 3:00 in the morning telling us our car was charged and we would he to move it so another guest could get charged?
What’s the etiquette here?
Another reason EV cars won’t become mainstream is because some the them are assholes too. I recently drove to a supermarket where they had a couple of EV charging spaces. Signs around on on the EV charging stations clearly state, “Free EV car charging only while shopping at “Good Food” supermarket.
Similar to my EV parking spaces at hotels being parked in by ICE drivers, the EV charging spaces were being used by people working out in a gym across the street and others not shopping at the market wanting a free charge. What’s wrong with these people? If they did this at a gas station it would be called stealing. But for some reason EV drivers feel they can take energy from businesses for free.
I asked an employee about it, and was told it’s turning into a big problem. As people find businesses who have free charging they are taking advantage and “stealing” the power without shopping our supporting the business that’s giving them the “free” electricty.
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.
In this case it’s EV drivers who are preventing the adoption of EV vehicles and installation of charging stations.There appears to be a straightforward long term solution for this. Stores could operate these chargers as paid for chargers, and give drivers a token at the checkout to get their charge for free.
Another reason EV cars won’t become mainstream is because some the them are assholes too. I recently drove to a supermarket where they had a couple of EV charging spaces. Signs around on on the EV charging stations clearly state, “Free EV car charging only while shopping at “Good Food” supermarket.
Similar to my EV parking spaces at hotels being parked in by ICE drivers, the EV charging spaces were being used by people working out in a gym across the street and others not shopping at the market wanting a free charge. What’s wrong with these people? If they did this at a gas station it would be called stealing. But for some reason EV drivers feel they can take energy from businesses for free.
I asked an employee about it, and was told it’s turning into a big problem. As people find businesses who have free charging they are taking advantage and “stealing” the power without shopping our supporting the business that’s giving them the “free” electricty.
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.
In this case it’s EV drivers who are preventing the adoption of EV vehicles and installation of charging stations.There appears to be a straightforward long term solution for this. Stores could operate these chargers as paid for chargers, and give drivers a token at the checkout to get their charge for free.
Yes they could. But it's at an additional expense. Yes it can be done but do you know of any commercial chargers for sale today whcih have that feature? Or any businees who are using tokens right now? I don't. All fthe chargers I have seen do aren't confgured for taking tokens. I suspect it would be very expensive to modify the existing charging stations to take tokens. And then ther'e the cost of the ongoing maintance.
If I were a business ower I think I would really think twice about installing and maintaing a charging station.
This is an example of the chicken and the egg where the chicken destory the egg and wonders why there aren't more chickens around.
What’s with people. These four spaces were clearly marked and reserved for EV charging. So why do ICE drivers think they can park in EV spaces? What jerks.
But then I was thinking what if there were five guests who had EVs at this hotel which had only four spaces. Would one of the four of us get a call at 3:00 in the morning telling us our car was charged and we would he to move it so another guest could get charged?
What’s the etiquette here?
So for one thing, EV drivers are seen as 'smug' (one comment earlier in this thread), 'entitled', 'mooching off free stuff', etc., and people use that notion to justify parking an ICE car in an EV parking spot. Somehow that's seen as 'taking them down a notch'. I've heard my wife's own mother saying we're defrauding our city by charging for free.
As for charging etiquette, there aren't really any 'rules' yet but I did get a card with my home charger that you attach to the charging cord. One side indicates that you are 'opportunity charging', and lists a phone number to call in case you really need the spot. The other side indicates that I really need the charge. So far, nobody has called me to ask for my spot yet.
Commercial charging providers like Chargepoint can partner with multiple businesses so that the cost of operation is split. This neatly solves the common parking lot problem. Even when the charging is free, Chargepoint requires me to swipe an RFID to unlock the charge cable. I suppose they could add a feature where one would need to pay for the charge unless a business 'validates' (similar to parking) the charge session.
All EVs sold in the US have an SAE J1772 socket for level 2 charging. The differences are for level 3, where Tesla has their own proprietary plug. Many Japanese vendors use the CHAdeMO plug, everyone else (including Chevy) use the J1772 combo plug that includes two extra pins for DC charging. I'm guessing Tesla's reason for a proprietary plug is to prevent non-Tesla drivers from charging for free at Supercharger stations. So far, all the DC fast charge stations I've been to have both CHAdeMO and SAE combo plugs.
European EVs use the IEC type-2 connector, which can provide 3-phase power. This uses the same signaling as the single-phase J1772 socket, so a passive adapter can be used. CHAdeMO uses CAN bus for signaling, so one can't devise a passive adapter plug. Not sure what Tesla uses for signaling.
Another reason EV cars won’t become mainstream is because some the them are assholes too. I recently drove to a supermarket where they had a couple of EV charging spaces. Signs around on on the EV charging stations clearly state, “Free EV car charging only while shopping at “Good Food” supermarket.
Similar to my EV parking spaces at hotels being parked in by ICE drivers, the EV charging spaces were being used by people working out in a gym across the street and others not shopping at the market wanting a free charge. What’s wrong with these people? If they did this at a gas station it would be called stealing. But for some reason EV drivers feel they can take energy from businesses for free.
I asked an employee about it, and was told it’s turning into a big problem. As people find businesses who have free charging they are taking advantage and “stealing” the power without shopping our supporting the business that’s giving them the “free” electricty.
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.
In this case it’s EV drivers who are preventing the adoption of EV vehicles and installation of charging stations.There appears to be a straightforward long term solution for this. Stores could operate these chargers as paid for chargers, and give drivers a token at the checkout to get their charge for free.
Yes they could. But it's at an additional expense. Yes it can be done but do you know of any commercial chargers for sale today whcih have that feature? Or any businees who are using tokens right now? I don't. All fthe chargers I have seen do aren't confgured for taking tokens. I suspect it would be very expensive to modify the existing charging stations to take tokens. And then ther'e the cost of the ongoing maintance.
If I were a business ower I think I would really think twice about installing and maintaing a charging station.
This is an example of the chicken and the egg where the chicken destory the egg and wonders why there aren't more chickens around.The commercial chargers I have seen can interact with people's phones. They allow for "clubs", which either don't get charged, or have special rates. It seems unlikely they haven't provided for one off free charges through people's phones, even if they have no support for token schemes.
Well actually there are two types of nozzles and no fewer than five different kinds of fuel. You can also accidentally fill your car with the wrong one and destroy the engine.
Yeah there's a bit hyperbole and pedantry, but as I mentioned in my post, it really isn't such a big deal particularly for L2 charging.
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.The shops have the charging points purely for marketing purposes. 'Look how green we are!' They shouldn't complain people don't pay for the electricity. That should come out of the marketing budget. Ofcourse like in any advertisement campaign some ads work and some ads don't. For the companies that put the charging points there it is all about market penetration to make sure they are ready when it is time to get the profits by having people to pay for charging.
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.The shops have the charging points purely for marketing purposes. 'Look how green we are!' They shouldn't complain people don't pay for the electricity. That should come out of the marketing budget. Ofcourse like in any advertisement campaign some ads work and some ads don't. For the companies that put the charging points there it is all about market penetration to make sure they are ready when it is time to get the profits by having people to pay for charging.I think you'll need to provide a much better supporting argument for such an oddball position. The supermarket offers free charging to attract customers. That's a rational marketing expenditure. The customers can't get to use those chargers, because the supermarket has issues with managing their use. In those circumstances removing them and using the marketing budget somewhere else is a rational marketing decision. Using a scheme to tie free charging to purchases is a rational marketing decision. Paying for electricity, charging stations and parking spaces to assist the businesses across the road makes no sense at all. Its bad enough that its impractical in most locations to prevent your car park being filled with the cars of non-patrons. Paying to charge those cars is just adding insult to injury.
Oddball or not, you need to back your statements up, else you're not much better than someone on a street corner wearing a sandwich board proclaiming that the end is near.
The shops have the charging points purely for marketing purposes. 'Look how green we are!'
The shops have the charging points purely for marketing purposes. 'Look how green we are!'That statement, for example.
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.The shops have the charging points purely for marketing purposes. 'Look how green we are!' They shouldn't complain people don't pay for the electricity. That should come out of the marketing budget. Ofcourse like in any advertisement campaign some ads work and some ads don't. For the companies that put the charging points there it is all about market penetration to make sure they are ready when it is time to get the profits by having people to pay for charging.
The shops have the charging points purely for marketing purposes. 'Look how green we are!'That statement, for example.Why else would a shop have a charging point??? Are they suddenly a gas station? It is added service like free candy for kids, free coffee, free parking space, free wifi, etc to look attractive.
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.The shops have the charging points purely for marketing purposes. 'Look how green we are!' They shouldn't complain people don't pay for the electricity. That should come out of the marketing budget. Ofcourse like in any advertisement campaign some ads work and some ads don't. For the companies that put the charging points there it is all about market penetration to make sure they are ready when it is time to get the profits by having people to pay for charging.
Yes marketing is suppose to attarck customers to shop at theeir store. These people are taking advanatge of the store and stealing electricy to charge their car withoug even entering the store.
How long do you think a store is going to put up with people stealing from them?
The guy told me the store will probably remove the EV charging stations as a result. I’m sure this is not the only business this is happening to. As word spreads of EV car drivers stealing electricty from businesses there will be fewer business interesting is installing EV chargers.The shops have the charging points purely for marketing purposes. 'Look how green we are!' They shouldn't complain people don't pay for the electricity. That should come out of the marketing budget. Ofcourse like in any advertisement campaign some ads work and some ads don't. For the companies that put the charging points there it is all about market penetration to make sure they are ready when it is time to get the profits by having people to pay for charging.
Yes marketing is suppose to attarck customers to shop at theeir store. These people are taking advanatge of the store and stealing electricy to charge their car withoug even entering the store.
How long do you think a store is going to put up with people stealing from them?I'm wondering: do you ever use the toilet in a restaurant, cafe, gas station, etc without buying something? Or visit a shop, look at a product but end up buying it somewhere else?