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#7050 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 27 May, 2015 00:24
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@Mike, @Aurora
I have sent PM for you, could you please check?
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#7051 Reply
Posted by
Fraser
on 27 May, 2015 01:44
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@Solare,
Nothing received except your email of yesterday asking about my relationship with FLIR.
I responded to that one already.
Aurora
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#7052 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 27 May, 2015 03:03
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...and what is going on... I send PMs, they are vanishing.... finally I succeed, then you send PMs, and its vanished again .... I received nothing
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#7053 Reply
Posted by
amstel
on 27 May, 2015 08:15
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Hi guys,
I have found Flir E4 from 2014 with the firmware 1.22.0 for sale.
Shall I expect the sensor from E8 or is still a lottery?
EDIT: Year 2014
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#7054 Reply
Posted by
TurboTom
on 27 May, 2015 12:59
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Another E4 at work:
F/W 1.22.0
H/W 1.1L
.calib.nrdp.ds250C_we_ap_fi_le.measureInfo.temporalMk double 14.773907
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#7055 Reply
Posted by
OrBy
on 27 May, 2015 13:00
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Hi guys,
I have found Flir E4 from 2004 with the firmware 1.22.0 for sale.
Shall I expect the sensor from E8 or is still a lottery?
I don't think the Ex series as we know it existed in 2004 - never-mind with 1.22.0. Are you sure it's not from 2014? And to attempt to answer your question - I don't think anyone outside of FLIR really knows what quality of sensor goes into what unit right now.
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#7056 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 27 May, 2015 15:06
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Thanks, Turbo!
People more reports please! Submit your temporal noise values!
Please also add FW version info.
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#7057 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 27 May, 2015 16:48
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Hi guys,
I have found Flir E4 from 2004 with the firmware 1.22.0 for sale.
Shall I expect the sensor from E8 or is still a lottery?
I don't think the Ex series as we know it existed in 2004 - never-mind with 1.22.0. Are you sure it's not from 2014? And to attempt to answer your question - I don't think anyone outside of FLIR really knows what quality of sensor goes into what unit right now.
There is too little statistics to make conclusions. That's why I run this survey.
In my case, Pixel Noise spatial or temporal is about 15 mK
However, spatial and temporal row and column noise is huge - at least 20 mK.
While in the early models of E4, found on this Thread (when it was possible to measure noise components on the web-service applet) these types of noise were explicitly small (4-5 mK).
I dunno what might Flir change in technology but it seems row and column noise increased by factor of 4 - 5.
Maybe they just process it faster
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#7058 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 28 May, 2015 01:59
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@All users of the updated E4 with MENU 2014 EX and FW 2.3.0! QUESTION!!!
I have discovered I don't have two last entries in my main menu measurements option,
see
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21772.0;attach=138753;imageNO Humidity and NO Air Temperature...
I am using hacks installed according the FUBAR procedure, particularly the Menu version should be 2014 EX (not the extended update to the menu)
Do you guys also missing these two lines and
If YOU DO, how do you set then the system temperature of atmosphere and the relative humidity?
IF YOU DON'T, do you have idea why I do miss them? + idea how to get them back?
Thank you!
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#7059 Reply
Posted by
OrBy
on 28 May, 2015 02:21
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I think the values you speak of have been moved under the color menu when you select the Condensation or Insulation alarm options since that is where the values come in to play the most.
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#7060 Reply
Posted by
Bud
on 28 May, 2015 04:32
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This is controlled in design_ui.xml and toolbar_config.xml
This will keep you busy for the next little while
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#7061 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 28 May, 2015 19:28
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This is controlled in design_ui.xml and toolbar_config.xml
This will keep you busy for the next little while
you torturer....
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#7062 Reply
Posted by
FredB
on 29 May, 2015 20:00
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My E4:
H/W 1.2L
F/W 2.30
.calib.nrdp.ds250C_we_ap_fi_le.measureInfo.temporalMk double 15.830595
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#7063 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 29 May, 2015 23:35
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Thank you! FredB! Lucky you are! (envy)
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#7064 Reply
Posted by
OrBy
on 30 May, 2015 00:39
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This is controlled in design_ui.xml and toolbar_config.xml
This will keep you busy for the next little while
Digging into it a little myself - the values for the menus are all there and do seem to be setup correctly comparing them to the stock 2.3.0 and prev versions as well.
I believe they were actually changed in the facet.rcc file by janekivi and that is quite a bit more involved to edit due to the need to de/re compile it for changes.
I don't know if janekivi wants to chime in if I am correct or not?
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#7065 Reply
Posted by
Bud
on 30 May, 2015 23:06
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I am using hacks installed according the FUBAR procedure,
Try installing the latest files janekivi posted back in Feb.
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#7066 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 30 May, 2015 23:28
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@BUD,
already did this. The Menu is awesome, however some the most attractive features (added measurements) are glitchy.Okay, this is "by design", but still... also, the parallax cannot be changed in saved before picture. There is knob, butt is not effective.
Anybody knows how to enable parallax editing in the Updated 2014 menu | edit mode?
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#7067 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 30 May, 2015 23:34
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@All,
anybody has good explanation, why many thermal images have 'darker corners'? Is there any connection with diffusion, lighting, illumination, scattering, reflection, absorption, refraction and other optical effects connected to glowing of thermal irradiators (planes) and their diffusional interreflectance?
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#7068 Reply
Posted by
Bud
on 30 May, 2015 23:53
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I do not think you can adjust parallax in Edit mode on the camera, but you can with external software.
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#7069 Reply
Posted by
ixfd64
on 31 May, 2015 00:28
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I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but this is now the most-viewed thread in this forum.
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#7070 Reply
Posted by
HighVoltage
on 31 May, 2015 07:38
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My E4 just arrived from a German distributor.
FW Version 2.3.0.
Hack applied, based on FUBAR instructions on a Windows 7, 32 bit system
Result: Works perfectly for high resolution and E8 menu.
The picture difference between the standard E4 and the hacked E4 is amazing!
Here is the Sensor Noise value:
.calib.nrdp.ds250C_we_ap_fi_le.measureInfo.temporalMk double 16.348786
What does that mean?
Is this a good sensor, but not as good as the one from FredB ?
I am happy with the pictures I am getting.
But I have no idea in regards to how a bad picture looks like and how a perfect picture is suppose to look like
Anyhow, the hack went smooth and I would like to say a BIG thank you to all people involved, making this happen.
No wonder, this is the most viewed thread on eevblog
THANK YOU ALL!
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#7071 Reply
Posted by
Solare
on 31 May, 2015 11:15
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Congratulations!
Let's say you won a lottery!
I would be just happy to have the same sensor noise value as you have!
Absolute record was something like 12.84 or so...
The absolute looser I am with 26.56
You are much closer to the first than to the second
I think you are happy now!
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#7072 Reply
Posted by
HighVoltage
on 31 May, 2015 12:09
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Thanks Solare,
Can you attach a picture of an IR image, so we can see the difference.
I will post a picture later and then we compare.
How about a picture of a warmed up oscilloscope for comparison?
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#7073 Reply
Posted by
tomas123
on 31 May, 2015 12:19
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my e4 from december 2013
.calib.nrdp.ds250C_we_ap_fi_le.measureInfo.temporalMk double 17.067813
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#7074 Reply
Posted by
gemrough
on 31 May, 2015 13:02
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My E4:
.calib.nrdp.ds250C_we_ap_fi_le.measureInfo.temporalMk double 14.846039