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#8250 Reply
Posted by
Fraser
on 09 Jun, 2017 23:06
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#8251 Reply
Posted by
onesixright
on 14 Jun, 2017 22:11
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Hi All,
I tried to look around here but i can't find it. If a E4 has part number 63901-0101 is that associated with a particular HW version? Or does the new model have the same part number?
Thanks!
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#8252 Reply
Posted by
BOGET
on 22 Jun, 2017 15:55
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Hi All,
I tried to look around here but i can't find it. If a E4 has part number 63901-0101 is that associated with a particular HW version? Or does the new model have the same part number?
Thanks!
63901-0101 is older E4's MPN;
63906-0604 is new E4 Wifi's MPN;
63901-0101 is also new E4 without Wifi's MPN;
BTW, the new E4 without Wifi's (63901-0101) S/N is 9 digits, non the older modle is 8 digits.
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#8253 Reply
Posted by
Bud
on 22 Jun, 2017 17:24
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Hello: I am fighting a little bit with the Flir e4. Version 1.2L.
when I try to perform the ftool decryption, decryption fails on "tail part 2". I am not sure if I understand the c# code correctly, but I think that means an early step with a mismatch. I ftp,ed the file with the windows command line and also with core ftp lite (filezilla n/a for windows xp) - same problem so i don't think it is a potentially corrupted conf.crc file, but really the ftool itself that produces the error.
Can you advise if there is an updated ftools to be used for camera version E4 1.2L (not 1.22) sw 2.11.0
I believe ftool was for early FW versions and had not been used for maybe 3 years or so. You should work this thread backwards until you find the latest post that applies to your version of FW.
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Hi everybody,
can anyone help me to increase the resolution with my FW 3.5.0?
Thanks a lot
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#8255 Reply
Posted by
ollihd
on 29 Jun, 2017 18:52
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Not hackable, yet. I'm in the same boat with you.
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#8256 Reply
Posted by
wudecao
on 17 Jul, 2017 15:06
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My E4 is FW 2.3.0 and hacked. I want to upgrade FW 2.11.0 and hack.
What steps do I need to do?
As my backup files has lost, I can't revert the 2.3.0 hacking.
Can I upgrade 2.11.0 directly and hack it under 2.3.0 hacked condition.
(The link of 2.3.0 downgrade File has expired, someboby could send a copy to me
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#8257 Reply
Posted by
george577
on 20 Jul, 2017 05:55
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Good afternoon, help please, bought a camera at auction, but it does not work, the image is in the form of chaotic color strips. Firmware 2.11.0. Outwardly new, there are no traces of blows and damages.
I ask for your help. thanks in advance
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#8258 Reply
Posted by
Chanc3
on 20 Jul, 2017 06:10
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That looks pretty severe!
You could try reloading the firmware?
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#8259 Reply
Posted by
george577
on 20 Jul, 2017 06:43
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The firmware was 2.11, I upgraded 2.11 again
I'm afraid that this is an hardware problem, such an image from an infrared sensor and from a video camera too.
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#8260 Reply
Posted by
Chanc3
on 20 Jul, 2017 06:53
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Hmmm, if it's from both, then there could be a dodgy connection somewhere. Would you willing to open it up? If you watch the video you can see how it disassembles. You can then check all connections.
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#8261 Reply
Posted by
george577
on 20 Jul, 2017 07:12
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According to the video disassembly there are 2 connections - the infrared camera and the usual camera, they are on different ends of the board and are not connected with each other.
Images from both cameras are missing.
But the calibration periodically clicks, which means that the signal to the board arrives.
I reviewed a lot of forums yesterday, I saw this from one person, but he did not find a solution to the problem.
I thought you might have met such a thing.
The seller sent the camera as fully working. I opened the pictures in the camera and saw that the problem had already appeared with the seller.
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#8262 Reply
Posted by
Fraser
on 20 Jul, 2017 10:54
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Return the camera. That is not going to be an easy fix and may not even be a viable repair. FLIR will charge a fixed $400 for repair if the microbolometer is not the defective part. The bill is more if it is. Warranty may be available I'd proof of purchase is available to you. If it goes back to FLIR you will receive a 2017 man board in he has spared unit. That is currently not upgradeable in any way.
Personally, unless the camera cost less than $200, I would send it back and obtain a refund. Why $200 ? ..... that is the scrap value as a parts donor
Fraser
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#8263 Reply
Posted by
george577
on 20 Jul, 2017 11:18
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I paid 750$+70 shiping
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#8264 Reply
Posted by
Fraser
on 20 Jul, 2017 12:09
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Return the camera. For that money it should be in perfect working order.
If it was an eBay sale, open a case and request a refund. Do no more to the camera as that risks accusations of you causing the problem. This is not a simple 'loose connection' (it rarely is) as it effects both visible and IR cameras.
Fraser
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#8265 Reply
Posted by
george577
on 20 Jul, 2017 14:42
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Thank you, I probably will, I'm sorry I spent so much time and money
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#8266 Reply
Posted by
BOGET
on 26 Jul, 2017 15:26
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The firmware was 2.11, I upgraded 2.11 again
I'm afraid that this is an hardware problem, such an image from an infrared sensor and from a video camera too.
What is your hardware version?
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#8267 Reply
Posted by
matmoe
on 04 Aug, 2017 10:34
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#8268 Reply
Posted by
netengineer
on 08 Aug, 2017 23:40
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I've been watching this thread for a while, but now it's time to jump in. I have access to acquire the following E4 unit lightly used at a good price:
1.1L (model)
1.22.0 (software)
63901-0101 (part number)
As a professional technologist, I tend to prefer having the most recent hardware. As a fiscally reasonable human being, I prefer to invest the least amount that will guarantee my success to an E8 software port. What is the consensus on the 1.1L/v1.22.0 unit? If not that, what would be the perfect hardware/software version to acquire to have the best technology on a unit with the least risk of bricking?
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#8269 Reply
Posted by
Fraser
on 09 Aug, 2017 00:43
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EDIT :
'Netengineer' asked whether a specified E4 could be upgrade to E8 spec and in 'fancy speak' basically stated he wanted the latest technology at the lowest possible cost to him (who doesn't !)
He further stated that he intends to use the thermal camera, an FLIR E4 or other, to search for caves and for precious metals in creeks.
For some reason this perfectly reasonable proposal has been removed from his post which makes make response seem pretty abstract in its content.
My response to the original question is below.
Original response......
That E4 can be upgraded.
Whether it will do what you are expecting of it is a different matter
Are you confident that thermal imaging will reveal caves and precious metals in your scenario ? It is not a technology that I have used for such so cannot offer comment on its effectiveness.
I can state that a thermal camera cannot produce useful thermal data through great depths of rock or even shallow water. Remember, the camera can only show you temperature differential. If different materials are present but at the same surface temperature, only the different surface emissivities will allow you to discriminate between them. Place such items under water and you will only see the waters surface temperature and not what lies beneath.
If a large slab of rock contains a hollow area that is relatively near to the surface, the suns heat may well reveal a difference in the rocks thermal density at that point and the void may be discernible if the weather conditions and time if day are favourable. If the rock is covered with soil or plants, these will reduce the effect to a point that it likely cannot be seen.
The Ex range are budget cameras with a fixed focus relatively wide angle lens. It is not the best series of cameras for looking at distant objects, especially if they are small.
A more professional camera range would be the Exx series as these are equipped with a manual focus lens that may be changed to enable the use of wide angle and telephoto lenses. Neither the camera, nor the lenses are cheap though. You need to be very confident in your theory for detecting caves and metals via thermography before buying such a camera, even at used prices.
I suggest you test your theory by seeding an area with metal in a manner similar to that which you expect to find when searching for real, and rent a FLIR camera to see how it performs. You could even try it against known cave systems.
I suspect you will be disappointed with the results.
I would be approaching your challenge using different technology, namely, Geophysical sub surface Radar and an advanced spectrum analysis type metal detector. I have used both and they work well provided you are trained in both use and interpreting the results correctly.
Fraser
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#8270 Reply
Posted by
Fraser
on 09 Aug, 2017 14:07
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Double post ?
You have removed detail of what you are intending to use the thermal camera for. Did you not like me commenting on the feasibility of cave and precious metal (in water) detection using this technology ?
I think I answered your question on the E4. That version of the E4, running that firmware is easily upgradeable.
There is no software 'port' to upgrade the resolution and add E8 menu's to an E4. These upgrades are just selected in the configuration files. Extra menu features were grafted into the Ex build from Exx build to create the E8+ Custom version that most of us use.
Fraser
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#8271 Reply
Posted by
netengineer
on 09 Aug, 2017 14:49
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Fraser,
I greatly appreciated your discussion around the usage and feasibility of the cave and precious metal usage. I probably should have started with just the tech question about what is the preferred hw/sw model for someone wanting to to the e8 upgrade, but also wants the most modern/capable hardware version. I'm 99% certain that I'm acquiring an e4 model, as I know a lot of people within my hobby have used that exact model with great success. I'm also not opposed to acquiring additional FLIR models should they be far superior for my needs.
My apologies for the confusion in the updated post. No disrespect intended. I just have someone with only 1 e4 unit (hw 1.1L, sw 1.22.0) that will likely be sold soon, so I'm quickly trying to ascertain if the community would recommend acquiring a HW 1.1L / SW 1.22.0 unit or hold out for a better model.
Once that is determined, I'm looking very much forward to testing and exploring your other ideas and recommendations around prospecting and exploration of nature for my hobby's purpose. Thanks again for the help! Much appreciated.
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#8272 Reply
Posted by
Fraser
on 09 Aug, 2017 15:03
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Where the E4 is concerned, there is no advantage to the later hardware version and the firmware gets more challenging to upgrade with each release
Be aware that after the initial easy upgrade was made public, FLIR were focussed on placing obstacles in the path of users attempting such, not on improving the firmware. The original firmware 1.19 is both stable and very effective. Later firmware versions did not improve imaging performance as there was nothing to improve.
The very latest E4 camera release known as the 2017 models are not, at this time, upgradeable due to better countermeasures in the firmware.
With the E4, earlier versions likely command a better price due to the ease with which they can be upgraded and modified.
As stated, the Exx series are more capable, but they cost more on the secondary market as a result. They use the same core firmware as the Ex series but the microbolometer and lens are superior performers.
Fraser
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I understand that there may be problems when trying to enable the enhanced menu on a Flir E4 that has had the firmware downgraded from 2.8 to 2.3 (and modded for the high resolution) - is that still the case?
I've done a lot of reading on the matter and can't find anything definitive.
Thanks
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#8274 Reply
Posted by
robert_
on 22 Aug, 2017 18:58
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hello
my new camera E4 (no wifi)
is Fw 3.5.0 (2017 mars)
connect to RNDIS donwgrade to 2.3.O
and apply hack and menu
is very good work
Downgrade FW 3.5.0 to 2.3.0 is possible!!!
confirmed
Any proof on that?
Posting the exact same text on several places doesnt add any credibility to what i will consider to be BS untill proven otherwise.
Theres no fun in writing up BS in hope others break expensive hardware trying it out.